Album Review

Score 7.5
Written by Ryan Plunkett
Published on 1/6/2004
To me, Iced Earth has been one of those bands that has generally consistently released solid albums, never anything to get all in a tizzy about, but enjoyable none-the-less. However, their last effort, Horror Show was a bit bland and disappointing. Between now and then, Iced Earth has lost vocalist Matt Barlow, but gained former Judas Priest frontman, Tim “Ripper” Owens. I was very curious to see where this would take the band. I enjoyed Matt as a frontman, but I think Tim fits in perfectly. With his strong presence, he seems to be fitting in better with Iced Earth than he ever did with Judas Priest.

With The Glorious Burden, Iced Earth takes on patriotism (the album starts out with a rendering of “The Star Spangled Banner” on guitar) and brings back the solid songwriting we know and love. Still not too much of a departure from previous efforts, main man/guitarist, Jon Schaffer has crafted a solid album, along with the epic bonus disc based on the Battle of Gettysburg. Now the main disc, is your typical Iced Earth album; fused together are Jon Schaffer’s typical galloping riffs, Richard Christy’s enjoyable drumming, and the ballad here and there (“When the Eagle Cries” and “Hollow Man”). However, it is with the addition of Tim Owens that this album more quickly demanded my attention. His performance commands your attention and has seemed to spark something new in the band. With strong leads and riffs that you cannot help but headbang to. My favorite album is still The Dark Saga, but this latest effort definitely tops the last two full-lengths in my mind. Not to mention the real bonus here is the second disc (which I’m not sure, but I believe it’s a Limited Edition type of thing). It includes three epic tracks adding up to about thirty minutes of extra music, based upon the three days of the Battle of Gettysburg. Each track features nice string arrangements, epic drumming, and powerful choir choruses. This disc alone almost makes this package worth buying.

If you thought Iced Earth was on the decline after their last release, I highly recommend you check back into this band. Although the huge spout of patriotism did get a bit overwhelming after a bit, it still does not detract from the strong songwriting drawn forth in the album. If you are an Iced Earth fan, you will not be disappointed and if you are new to Iced Earth, this is a good album to start out with. I highly recommend you get this with the bonus disc as it adds so much more to the overall feel. The Glorious Burden is an enjoyable effort from a solid band and a nice way to ring in the New Year.



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Anonymous | posted on 10/2011 | Reply
Slayer sucks
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rudy | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
i dont know what the hell this guy is talking about. horror show was amazing and iced earth's performance definetly declined after that.
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JB | posted on 6/2007 | Reply
Don't know, I just loved Horror Show. This one didn't connect with me as much. I thought Tim Owens fit right in, though. I hope the next album will be a little heavier.
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MetalMac | posted on 6/2007 | Reply
Great review for a great CD! Awesome melodies and if you don't have it get it! -Mac
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Bill | posted on 1/2007 | Reply
Really a great album and though I thought barlow had a great voice I cant help but say that Ripper has an awsome stage presence, However, When The Eagle Cries was just awful and the video clip for it was even worse
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Zack | posted on 8/2006 | Reply
Iced Earth is friggin awesome. Honestly I would say that all their albums are great.
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vrunt | posted on 5/2006 | Reply
This album is awesome...when I first got it, I thought it was great. I put it away for a few weeks, came back...it's a killer. The only part I dislike is the vocal screams in red baron/blue max...apart from that, this album is an epic. I have to disagree with the scores...For mine, you can't get any better when it comes to production...in fact...ICED EARTH albums are all fine examples of metal production.....Song writing, well Jon Schaffer is a master, matching music and lyrics to song themes, there is no better. Musicianship, Iced Earth are continually matched with Iron Maiden, in particualr the gallop. If it wasn't for the gallop u probably wouldn't have many of the fine metal bands that paved the way. Iced Earth are no exception but they have their own style and sound. 6 -6 -5.5 i dropped .5 for the screams on red baron
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danny110 | posted on 3/2006 | Reply
oh yes, my first iced earth album. i've never heard of iced earth proir tim owens ( i'm a priest fan). i saw this album on the rack i thought if tim sang on this album then this album must be good. then again i love historic concepts because i listen to iron maiden and saxon. man this album blew me away. valley forge, attlia, red baron, the devil to pay, green face. i could imagine myself on the battlefield.
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death is among us | posted on 2/2006 | Reply
i thought this album was a good transission for the ripper to go from judas priest to icedearth and make it sound really allsome
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Swiss Cheese | posted on 2/2006 | Reply
what?
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gofu | posted on 2/2006 | Reply
jesus christ...
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Swiss Cheese | posted on 2/2006 | Reply
I don't like Iced Earth; not cuz they're bad, i just don't like that "older metal" sound. ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......................................Bodom rocks(sorry, i just had to)
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slag | posted on 1/2006 | Reply
I liked this one a lot more after seeing the live show, but still not one of their best.
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Dunk | posted on 1/2006 | Reply
Commercializing off of 9/11? Bad taste. Too much "yay, America"! Oh well, I still like this album.
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The Great Cretaceous Bob | posted on 1/2006 | Reply
What?! This review has got it all wrong. I own Horror Show and The Glorious Burden, and The Glorious Burden would, if it wasn't for the Gettysburg epic, suck. The songs on here are pretty weak. Red Baron/Blue Max is laughable. Valley Forge is boring. When the Eagle Cries just sucks. Declaration Day, The Reckoning and the Gettysburg epic are pretty much only what's worth listening to. Now Horror Show, that was alot heavier, much better written, and had a better vocalist. Every song on Horror Show is great!
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rattle | posted on 12/2005 | Reply
No1: the riffs are uninspired and so does the music generally No2: Barlow was 1000 times better No3: I hate the american hymn intro at gettysburg trilogy(have bothing to do with america but anyway i hate it) No4: No problem with the patriotism except the american hymn No5: Concept is very interesting No6: Gettysburg's trilogy atmosphere is ALL THE FUKIN MONEY along with the notes schaffer does RESULT: not such a bad album but it sux compared to ALL the other of ICED EARTH
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Tom Bowman | posted on 10/2005 | Reply
I like Iced Earth before they replaced vocalists I'm not so upset about the patriotic shit as some people however that they put the patriotic shit on there and changed vocalists pissed me off royally I don't hate America but I do hate George Dubya and his administration and I have a right to because I didn't vote for the asshole. Before you say anything about that let me mention that I did vote in both elections and voted against him so therefore I have a right to feel I was cheated but enough about my venting about politics. I liked Iced Earth's cds with Matt Barlow and prefer his style to Owens that's my preference just like I don't care for George Dubya that's also my preference
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Adrian | posted on 10/2005 | Reply
I liked Iced Earth, before that insane fucker Jon Schaffer turned against his own band. And the concept? Well, not only is it boring, but it's pretty lame, but that's only my opinion. Metal should be something very very unique and worth having. Frankly, a disc by a screwed up band based on the Civil War just doesn't interest me.
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attle | posted on 10/2005 | Reply
Hmmmm lets see. After IRAQ whos next?
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blackrazor357@hotmail.com | posted on 3/2005 | Reply
DAMN YOU PEOPLE CAN BITCH ABOUT ANYTHING. A BAND SOUNDING PATRIOTIC IS BAD? RAP IS BAD. NU METAL IS BAD. METALCORE IS BAD. I'D LIKE TO SEE RIPPER OWENS COME SCALP YOU WHINING PUSSIES WHO HATE REAL METAL. IF YOU HATE METAL SO DAMN MUCH WHY EVEN BOTHER WITH THIS SITE? IF YOU HAD ANYTHING GOOD TO SAY ABOUT THIS CD, RIGHT ON! IF NOT, WELL... THERES ALWAYS KORN AND SLIPKNOT FOR YOU FAGS. TIME FOR YOU LITTLE KIDS OUT THERE TO GO TO BED. LET US BIG BOYS HANDLE THE REAL METAL FOR YOU! HAIL AND KILL!!!
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garett | posted on 3/2005 | Reply
this is the 2nd best release of the year next to exodus's tempo ofthe damnded and they have a singer that can sing!
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Johny bee douchE | posted on 3/2005 | Reply
Civille Warr titles r lame LOL!1!!
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BlackRain | posted on 8/2004 | Reply
Quite possibly....The stupidest concept to songs that i've ever heard. Singing about american wars song after song? Because he can Stum 1 chord and make some patterns with it doesnt make it metal. For the record, Iced Earth sucks ass.
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shae/big JUDAS PRIEST fan | posted on 5/2004 | Reply
this is with out a dout my 2 best album of all time. next 2 my number 1 album JUDAS PRIEST PAINKILLER fucking alsome cd ICED EARTH.red baron/blue max is alsome best concept album ever RIPPER kick's ass 2 he was also alsome with JUDAS PRIEST jugulator and demolition where fantastic geat albums good replacement Im a big war fan and never liked the civil war now i love it thank's Jon schaffer your the best and can't wait for the new JUDAS PRIEST album they are the METAL GODS !!!!!!!!!!!!
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REALIST | posted on 2/2004 | Reply
Okay, all you blind sheep that keep muttering about how good we have it here need to wake up and see what the Bush Admin is doing regarding censorship, etc., they start out with wanting to change the constitution over this 'gay' thing and trust me, if they DO that they'll start changing other more important issues in the constitution telling us it's to "make us safe," when in reality it's to monitor our every move and take away more of our freedoms. WAKE UP YOU STUPID TWATS!!!!!!! Janet Jackson flashes a breast on Superbowl Sunday and the FCC reacts like she and Justin stripped down and performed a live sex act or something, the idiotic moral majority is having a cardiac arrest over something as simple and natural as a woman's breast!? GZUS okay? Now Howard Stern is bailing because he can no longer continue on in the fashion he has been for 10 yrs, no talking about sex or body parts, etc., And the morons that keep saying, "You need to go live in Iraq if you don't like it here..." It's BECOMING IRAQ
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stormrider | posted on 2/2004 | Reply
an awesome cd. tim ownes does alot better here than he ever did in judas priest(you can tell because every song doesnt have the words blood, death, or a related topic in the title. besides, did any one like jugulatro? anyone at all? i rest my case.) regardless, this album is awesome. their are some corn ball songs, like the star spangled banenr intro(only in U.S. and Lt. edition) but otherwise, songs like "Red Baron" and "Atilla" shine through in full force. schaffer is passionate about this album and topics in it...it shows.
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FATAL ERROR | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
This one would be great with the original vocalist Matt. Fav. Tracks: When The Eagle Cries, Hollow Man, Tim Owens (ex-Judas Priest) is an acceptable. I still think their best albums are : ICED EARTH, THE DARK SAGA & SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES. Great Power Heavy Meta, HAIL ICED EARTH
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Damien Reaper | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
This new one is one of the best out of Jon and Tim and the band, It was sad that Matt left but Tim is just as good. It's American Metal as it's best! Metal is about standing up for what you belive in! And they did! Rest in Peace Limb Bisket and Nickel back- Real Metal is coming back, And Iced Earth will be one of those bands! USA USA USA USA USA USA American is what the past has died for us for the future! Try reading the history books We the people this album is our history in a power metal Whats more Metal than what past wars,present wars What the Men and women die for us_heros and If Iced Earth or any bands or singer ect sing about the blood that stained our great land_ DamienReaper@fuse.net
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Damien Reaper | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
This new one is one of the best out of Jon and Tim and the band, It was sad that Matt left but Tim is just as good. It's American Metal as it's best! Metal is about standing up for what you belive in! And they did! Rest in Peace Limb Bisket and Nickel back- Real Metal is coming back, And Iced Earth will be one of those bands! USA USA USA USA USA USA
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Strength | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Solid metal album...glad I bought it!
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Mike | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
So wind, Metal is about lashing out from the mainstream. Look at British Steel. They have a tribute to England on that album and nobody is questioning their place in metal. Metal can be about whatever the fuck you want it to be about. If you are a true metal fan, you are cheating yourself out of a great album by not listening to TGB.
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brandon | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Iced Earth's album The Glorious Burden 200 billboard's chart, # 4 on the billboard's top indpendent chart, # 1 on CMJ's loud rock chart, Germany # 15, Austria # 24, Finland # 30, Switzerland # 77, and France # 80. pretty good for them.
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Lyco | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
I thought this was a pretty good heavy metal album, not the awesome power/thrash of NOTSR or Burnt offerings, but certainly not crap, Ravenous' scores are what I would have given it. Why the fuck do you people all of a sudden care about lyrics now, so Jon is writing about american history, wow, how horrible, even though a majority of metal bands just write about... basically nothing, or gore, death, fantasy etc... This is an album about American Wars and historical events, that just so happens to be a pretty damn good heavy metal album with some badass vocals. I'd buy it.
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Mettalmann | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
I read some of these posts and I just shake my head. What the fuck are some of you thinking, regardless if you're American or not? After reading some of this crap i guess it's not cool to be a patriotic person? But singing about Vikings and Mythology is? Did you ever stop to to listen to what the MUSIC sounded like? Why some of you think it's uncool to love your country is crazy. Regardless of where you're from Germany, Australia, England, or America most people I've met around that worlld are proud of where they are from and are not afriad to say it. Maybe if Jon Shaffer wrote a song about how his mom beat him with a belt you'd respect him more; but since he's writing about something he cares about you bash him. Jon and I are friends and he wrote this CD from himself, knowing some would critize him for it; he did it because it means something to him. It almost reminds me of being embarassed to say I love you to your wife or someone else because it's not cool. Grow the fuck up!! And read what MADMAN said before this post. Hey WIND now you're entitled to your opinon and so am I!!! You sound like an uneducated 14 yr old with a PC. But for 17 years I've put on the uniform for the US ARMY so uniformed people can say what they want, like you. But let me guess, you probably think serving my/our country is bullshit too? Hey MADMAN I'm getting into this a little late that's why I'm posting on an old subject
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Mettalmann | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
I read some of these posts and I just shake my head. What the fuck are some of you thinking, regardless if you're American or not? After reading some of this crap i guess it's not cool to be a patriotic person? But singing about Vikings and Mythology is? Did you ever stop to to listen to what the MUSIC sounded like? Why some of you think it's uncool to love your country is crazy. Regardless of where you're from Germany, Australia, England, or America most people I've met around that worlld are proud of where they are from and are not afriad to say it. Maybe if Jon Shaffer wrote a song about how his mom beat him with a belt you'd respect him more; but since he's writing about something he cares about you bash him. Jon and I are friends and he wrote this CD from himself, knowing some would critize him for it; he did it because it means something to him. It almost reminds me of being embarassed to say I love you to your wife or someone else because it's not cool. Grow the fuck up!! And read what MADMAN said before this post. Hey WIND now you're entitled to your opinon and so am I!!! You sound like an uneducated 14 yr old with a PC. But for 17 years I've put on the uniform for the US ARMY so uniformed people can say what they want, like you. But let me guess, you probably think serving my/our country is bullshit too? Hey MADMAN I'm getting into this a little late that's why I'm posting on an old subject
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Madman | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
"Educated/informed point of view"? It was more like listening to some leftist nut on the streetcorner. It only takes things from one side. I guess some people only read what they want to read on these things, becuase many of us have said that yes, the country has problems, yes, there are negatives to living here - but its still better than living in parts of the world where you can be sent to prison for sneezing in the wrong pitch. You can hate all you want, just be grateful that you CAN hate this place and still live on American soil with American citizenship in your American home while collecting a paycheck tendered in American dollars. There are places in the world that would kill you for even THINKING about talking shit about the place. As much as you say people have been "brainwashed" into patriotism, sounds like many others have been "brainwashed" into anti-patriotism by your choice of subculture and ever-burning need to go against the grain.
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pathfinder | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
I think all the bleeding heart, "You're lucky you live in America" dipshits need to go back and seriously re-read Wind's posts with an open mind if you can muster that. He has MANY vaild points coming from an educated/informed point of view vs. your blindly patriotic, flag waving nonsense you've been brainwashed with.
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lee | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
People in the US are spoiled rotten,whiners, etc that bitch about having it so good, they don't even realize that being able to talk such shit about your country is reason enough to be patriotic. Maybe everyone that whines about how bad it sucks here need to go stay in Liberia, Ethopia or some other hell hole for a year.
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DARKSTAR | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
"Ripper" Owens is probably the best power metal vocalist today. Did you listen to Judas Priest's Jugulator? No metal album will top that. And his vocals on the glorious burden is just as strong. I've never compared him to Halford, because he has always been better. And to those of you who have seen him live, you know what I mean. Overall, the Glorious Burden is pretty good, Ripper is indeed the highlight. I still think Stormrider is the best Iced Earth album though, the music on that album was excellent.
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Mettalmann | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Hey not a bad review, but I'm a bit disappointed that you didn't really give it the complete write up it deserves. WHat I mean is that some shitty CD's get a large write up on this site as to why it sux or something like that, and a CD like this gets a review that sounds like it was written while you were about to go out somewhere or something. You really put little to no effort in bringing out why this is not their best or why this is only the scores you gave it. Anyway I believe this CD is worthy of a METAL REVIEW 555 or higher..I can not remember a CD that just knocked me off my feet like this! The last three songs are Gettysburg and it is certainly Jon S's OPUS!!!! To all of you out there I recommend what Ravenous said get the Delux...
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Somebody | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
I just wanted to say that icedearth rules......and to all suckers who say they are gay and stuff like that: YOU SUCK!!! By the way, i am not american but dutch and don't complain about the patriotism!!!
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igor | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Totally agree with most of the comments from Ghaxir. We got to give Shaffer big credit for putting this togeather though because when u look at it, it really isnt easy to put for example an epic battle into a song, make it rhyme and sound COOL. Oh god knows it needs to sound cool! Its a good album and Jon got it out of his system now. We, well I certainly now hope for a great dark, phantomlike sounding record in future like they did before. I was also thinking that all this monumental- best work so far talk was a bit stupid 'cause this isnt their best work. Best of luck to Tim and the rest of guys, hope to see them in Chicago or on a Milwakee metal fest!! Oh yeah, I'm really glad to see some normal people responding positively on my post down there. BOG S VAMA!
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brandon | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
that was a very nice thing u said igor.
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Ghaxir | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
I'm a huge Iced Earth fan, but I'm not deaf. So I don't take for granted that every new album from this great band will be some new "masterpiece". My favorite album is, and will probably forever be Burnt Offerings. There's not a single IE album I dislike, but I surely prefer their early works. Now what about this album ? When I bought The Reckoning Single a few months ago, I was quite disappointed. So I was expecting this album with fear of being disappointed again. Overall, I wasn't... My first listening left me quite unconvinced. But after a few more listenings, I actually found some great tunes (Attila, Greenface, Waterloo...). There are good songs on this album, but absolutely nothing new. It's pure classical Iced Earth. And that's not a problem for me as long as the music is good. I've got no problem with Schaffer's rush of patriotism, but I do find some lyrics on the album really cheesy. And (that's worse) so are the 2 ballads (When the Eagle Cries bores me to death, and Hollow Man is even worse...). For the lyrics, it's detail, but for the ballads, I'm was waiting for something else, something best, in the way of their earlier great tunes (A Question of Heaven, Melancoly...). About the epic "Gettysburg", I have mitigated feelings. It surely has its moments and some good arrangements, but its lacks of this epic breath which makes Dante's Infero or the Something Wicked Trilogy so wonderful. And, especially, the middle part of "High Water Mark" sounds awful to me. Far too cheesy to be really epic... For those who look down on Horror Show, I for one have learned to love it. It's a great album, full of strong good songs (Damien, Phantom of the Opera Ghost, Dracula...). I even find this new release to be a bit under Horror Show. It's a good metal album, Tim Owens does a great job when he can manage not to scream at high pitched tones _all the time_... but I'm a bit disappointed Jon Schaffer has to tell everybody it's his best work to date... cause I really, really don't think so. Anyway I'm looking forward to seeing them on tour in a few month. I've already bought my ticket :).
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Strength | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Igor is not from this country and he knows more about being patrotic them most of us,great post!
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Ravenous | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
good post igor.
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igor | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
holly shit are there some disrespectable bastards up in hear!!! Woooo!! Talking who gives a shit about history of US and blaming Shaffer for being patriotic! You people are a joke! I should be the one hating America and what it stands for because afterall fuckers bombed my country and my people (SERBIA) for defending it agenst Muslim pieces of shit Albanians in '99. But i dont, not that much anyways. This is music, this is fucking metal for chit sakes!!! USA is and has been a leading nation and power in the world for quite some time now. It set the standards> Every band every person in this fucking world wants to be like americans and wears and uses the product made or pattented in the good ol' US of A!!! I cant say that i like where this country is going, with this bullshit hip hop culture and crime and all these low life bums(all colors), but it is number 1 and it will be for a long time. History is beautiful and i love what john is doing. I hear(read) this one joker saying how they need to move on with music or something. You're a fucking MORON!!! The beauty of it is that they still play and stick to their style. You want Saint anger or some shit!!! Dont make me laugh!! Another bittom line: all you stupid pussies dont know what the fuck u talking about 'cause your ass didnt have bombs falling on you! Shit like that can really make you think things through. You shouldnt be spitting on your country and government. You should take a good look at your neighborhood and people living in it. From the ghettos all the major cities in US are turning into, to perverted child molesters and serial killers in the suburbs. Thats where this country might meet its doom, not some "white guys figting in a battle" some time ago as one of the clowns stated in the post below. I'll be glad as hell to get my sweet american passport soon knowing that i'll be the main man with it anywhere in the world and i'll get to shit and police the others. As long as US leaves Serbia alone I'll be just fine with it!! PS. They know we produce NBA players in bunches so they'll back off in future. Iced Earth rules, long live Johny Boy Shaffer!!!!!!!!!!!!
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igor | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
I really, really cannot understand why people who get payed to review shit can say that Horror show was dissapointing!!! It is a masterpiece. And know that I just dont go around saying that about albums, really. Not one of those people who say anything by Tomahawk or Fantomas is a masterpiece just because Mike Patton sings on it because its not. Its a piece of crap!!Post FNM Mike Patton needs to get off drugs and start making some good music with that incredible voice. Getting a lot off subject. Bottom freaking line Horror Show is brilliant, Glorious Burden very, very good. Agree with reviewer there. Good thing they finally made some videos. This fucking band should be well known. They are simply amazing. Older bands like Mettalica should listen and fucking learn!!!! ZIVIO!!
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brandon | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
hey your right ravenous their are nothing wrong with the lyrics i got this album yesterday and it kicks ass. As a native of indiana, Jon is a great song writer and all u people who are bitching metal is metal.
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Ravenous | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
I enjoyed this album more then the last, it's merely an opinion just like every other review I've written. And to all those that want to bitch about the goddamn lyrics, get over yourself. It's lyrics. And lastly... to all those that hate america, LEAVE. Or get off your ass and actually do something about it instead of bitching. All I hear is bitch, bitch, bitch. Well run for office and quit bitching, because I'm sick and tired of hearing about it.
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Rod | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Musically speaking this has got to be IE worst album. Never have I heard boring and lackluster songwriting as the one Jon puts down on this recording. Recycled riffs, uninteresting melodies and songs that drone on and on without any exciting dynamics. To say that this effort is better that SWTWC is just completely asanine. Tim is not to blame, he tries his best to elevate the awful songwriting that plagues this album. The subject matter is not the problem...is the music. And about Jon's famous trilogy...as boring as it gets. Here he dropped the ball on what could have been a masterpiece of epic proportions. Jon, walk the walk before you talk the talk!!
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lee | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Anything about taxes, compulsary military service, socialized everything in the countries you mentioned as being superior. Nor did you mention their jobless rates, cost of living index, average wages etc. Ballots were counted in Florida, they just were not re-counted and re-counted the way Gore and other liberals wanted them to be. I think I would rather have my vote thrown out, then being counted based on a dimple impression? Could you even imagine how much worse shape we would be in with the forces of Al and Tipper Gore running the country?
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Lee | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
I can respect your opinion but where do you think you can go to be freer? France? Romania? the Philipines? Sure we could go do volnunteer work in the jungles of Cambodia or Laos and nobody would ever fuck with us, but the reality is America is probalby as good as it gets. Not everyone hates Americans, you are wrong about that, stop reading the net, watching the news and get out in the world. USA is still the "dream" for most people. Oh yeah, don't start your replys with "blow me" and i won't think you are a stupid college kid.......lol
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Madman | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
This isn't so much a gung-ho America album as it is an homage to the soldiers who have died in past wars to protect our freedoms. It has nothing to do with Iraq, Saddam, Osama, and even 9/11 (except maybe for its inspiration). Those are the people who made this country great: the ones who died so we could continue to have our freedom. Of course, people like Bush have now shit all over those memories, but Wind, you're starting to sound like an angry leftist who can't see the forest for the trees. And why is it that a few posts earlier you said "I don't hate this country", and now its "FUCK AMERICA"? Why not just go join the Taliban now? Then maybe you'll appreciate the freedoms here after having some religious fundamentalism whipped on you. If you don't like the why things are being done, then do something about it. One of the great things about this country is that ANYONE can run for public office, and we have representatives in Washington that will listen to us if we take the time to communicate with them INTELLIGENTLY.
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wind | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Do I have freedom lee? WHat a crock of shit! I have the freedom to have my calls and email tapped into if make any statement which could be labeled "terrorist". I have the freedom to vote on a 2 part system which represents the same agenda, and really offers no diversity at all. I have the freedom to vote when my ballots wont even get counted (aka florida). You sound like a broken record lee. By adhere to a notion such a yours your the one who does a disservice to this country. people like you who think this country is inherantly perfect is why we've been so swindeled to begin with. How do you think this whole war in Iraq start, it was all aroused off a false sense of American pride. Standing by your country becuase it's the best country. America is not the best country anymore and if anything is far from it. i could name a whole list of countires from denmark to australia whose goverment and scoeity are far superior to us. And dont call me a stupid collage kid, lee, I see that their are a shitload of stupid liberals just as there are conservatives. But I am absolutly disgusted with this country and I will safly bet you that if things persist within 15 years America will be nothing like you've known of it in the past. Americans are become more and more desesitized as the goverment rapes us of more and more liberities, we dont have a say in shit when the president who get the most votes isn't even elected. FUCK AMERICA AND WHAT IT"S BECOME and by the way lee everyone does hate us, except the minority in power, so wake the fuck up!
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lee | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Because it gives you the freedom to say shit like that. Come on Man, we are easily the freesist country on the face of the earth. Name one fucking place where you have more freedom then the US, better opportunites for jobs, to make money, to live your life how ever you want etc. You fucking college kids whining about the US and your freedoms. Fuck, you just have no damn clue. The very fact that you can say all of this crap, wipe your ass with the flag, say whatever you want on the internet is the exact DAMN reason you should be proud to be an American. And for your information every other country in the world doesn't hate us, it is just the Media playing up another bunch of stupid college age kids in foreign countries chaning "We hate Bush". It has nothing to do with the reality of the situation. The reality of the Situation is most of all the coutnries in the world owe their existance to us (all of Europe, all of Asia and a good part of Central and South American Wake up man.
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ScOrN | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
I agree with most of you to some extent. Musically, this album is killer. The song structures, the riffs, the vocals, they all kill. Some of the lyrics do get on my nerves though. Some are very much a history lesson come to life which is fine in my opinion. The Gettysburg songs rule. But songs like "Where the Eagle Cries" and "Declaration Day" are just so lame. In all honesty, the britts back in the day really didnt tax us all that much and didnt really give a shit about us. To say we "had it bad" back in American Revolution times is so dumb. Not that Im not glad we are a country not under anyones control (besides money grubbing politicians). There is loving ones country and there is capitalistic patriotism. I love living in the us, but a lot of this album does remind me of morons who put american flags up on their cars to "support" the troops or america or whatever. I dont have pride in what is being done on the american peoples behalf, but shaefer has always come off as a dumb, blind, redneck American (said in the most southern accent you can think of)
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Slash | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
too long didn't read
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Madman | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Windy, you haven't prevailed in shit. The patriotism being forced upon us may be "Kick all ass and worship King George", but that isn't TRUE patriotism. True patriotism is loving your country, caring about it's future, wanting to make it better, etc. Anyway, I'd ramble more against the inanity but I've got to get to Quizno's and enlarge my gut.
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Jacksonlefteye | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
keep in mind, if a foreign country doesn't actually hate us, it's "cool" to hate us...tell me it isn't amusing to make fun of an extremely wealthy country full of completely ignorant morons; all countries have their shortcomings, it's just "cool" to hate America though...i haven't really put my finger on it, but i think it's kinda like a group of school children establishing supremacy over "the new kid;" anyone else remember how confused most of us were after the 9/11 attacks? "Why us?!" everyone was wailing...and the government could never give us a good enough answer...foreign countries just hate, antagonize and/or frown upon us
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wind | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
People seek refuge in the US not becuase were a nation of freedom promoting angelic's but becuase we are the dominant superpower of the world and control everything. Go to any country first second or third world, they all fucking hate us, they just dont know eliminate us. What the US is doing and promoting as "patriotism" is the biggest crock of shit fathomable. Take the patriot act and civil liberties act, which rape peoples freedom under the guise of promiting our country. The only reason we need all these insititutions is becuase our goverment is greedy as all fuck, we just cant stay satisfied in our posisition we want to keep making sure that know one else can ever share the status that we have. THIS my firends is what patiotism is in modern day AMerica, this is what your promoting by "standing by your country". Patirotism of the late 1700's and patirotsism of today are two entirely differnt concepts. I have not read the lyrics to iced earth, but I can tell you that if they are promiting troops they are promitng our bullshit war. Metal has always been an escape from the mainstream not a venture into the very heart of the beast. it's an autonomous ideaology which does not need to bleed into the bowels of American shit society, which is the epitomie on monothesistic christian values, which want to push everything to an absolute end as opposed to finding balance between many elements of earth society and spirituality. and I think slash said it perfectly, I dont hate this country, just what it's become.
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ALEX deMUSTAINE | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Sorry man Im gonna have to say that I completely disagree with you on this one. Number 1: Metal does not have to be blasphemous to be metal. Maiden and Priest were never going on about how they may have hated christianity. In fact, I dont believe any of that came along until Venom and Slayer. 2. Being patriotic has nothing to do with being religious. America AND britain are multinational, multi-faith countries. you can be a fucking Taoist... that doesent mean you cant love your country. 3. You wouldnt be talking shit about Iced Earth if you'd heard their first album along with Night of the Stormrider and Burnt Offerings. The main point is that these guys were ripping up Wacken Open Air with Blind Guardian when all your little Funeral Doomcore Viking Symphonic Epic Epileptic Pagan bands were in fucking diapers or elementary school. 4. The fucker loves America. you dont. who gives a fuck anyway, let Schaffer write what he wants about because as far as it goes what he's talking about is at least fairly relevant. Whining about how germanic peoples are more pure than others and how you want to be a Viking with a wolfskin cockpiece and pray to Thor is almost a fashion now. You're not aryan anyway... why the fuck do you care?
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Madman | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Slice it however you want, Windy, but you're taking an incredibly simple view of patriotism. Yes, the US is "one nation under God" and all that crap, but there is plenty more to the US than god, mom, and apple pie. As much as the government sucks and fucks us on a regular basis, the US is still something of a beacon of FREEDOM to the rest of the world. You don't hear about oppressed citizens of other countries seeking their freedom in Russia, China, or Germany - no, they come here. Freedom to own things, freedom to think for yourself, freedom to listen to the music you like, and ironically enough, the freedom to hate everything about it. Patriotism is simply "love of country". Despite all my complaints, I love this country, cuz things are possible here that aren't possible in other places (with the exception of huge metal festivals every week). Hate GW, hate his buddies, hate their policies, hell hate what they've done to this country - but if you TRULY, bottom line, hate this country, get the fuck out, cuz you're wasting precious space. Well, that or do something about it - merely complaining never made anything better.
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Slash | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Why is 9/11 relevant? So the government can scare you and walk all over your freedoms? Go to war for no justified reason? Except spew bullshit and scare your ignorant and uninformed ass? I think it's clear which people use their brains here and those who let CNN cram the government's bullshit down your throat while the government slides down your panties and rapes your virgin ass. Why should anyone move to another country? The people in power should move to another country. They are the most anti-american people ever to grace the government, by far. Luckily, they are able to bullshit their ways around the dumbass general public and do whatever they want while the people yell "Yay! Fuck me in the ass more!"
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Strength | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Move to another country then. You do spend american money don't you?
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wind | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Well, Ive always thought iced earth was overated and can proudly say i dont own 1 album. Iced earth always struck me a dumb, and they always seemed to lack the true spirit of metal. I havent heard this album and dont plan on it, but I will say that singing about patrotic american bullshit is WRONG. This is becuase patrotic american bullshit is not fucking metal, nor has it ever been metal. Viking and pagan themes are totally metal becuase there inherantly blaphemous in nature. Metal has always been opposed to monotheistic relegions, particularly christainity, and to praise america society is to priase christainity, becuase our society epitomizes these values, from our public adoration of churchs, to our blatent promotions of morality. I complete agree with slash and erk, nothing is more fucking lame than singing about american patiotism. I cant relate to that shit at all, and I would get completely turned off the minute I read such lyrics. It like hooking up with some hot chick and then finding out shes a hermaphrodite, talk about loosing your wood.
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Madman | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Thanks to the former two of you, who managed to say what I'd been trying to say more directly than I had. As for Slash . . . its great that you've actually heard the disc. You should have mentioned that earlier, actually getting into the music instead of just ripping on the concept, which is still a far sight better than 90% of br00tal deth albums.
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lee | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Jeez, Iron Maiden have done this exact same type of album for their entire career. What is with all of this anti-americanism crap anyways? Is this the "new" cool metal head thing to do, since worshipping satan is passe? You guys sound like morons when you say it is gay to write an album about the battle of Gettysburg etc. Shit Power metal bands have been doing this shit since the conception of this type of music.
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The Dragon | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
And who would of known that after the 9/11 attacks, there would be so many anti-patriots whos vocabulary consists of "suck" and "gay". Just proves, there are more unintelligent morons on this earth than we think.
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The Dragon | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
We purposely removed our lyrical content rating scale a year ago after coming to the conclusion that lyrics can "MEAN" one thing to one person, and something else to someone else. It's all about the music and how it moves YOU. Maybe these lyrics mean a lot to Jon, which I'm sure they do. You don't have to agree with what he is saying.
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Lord of Vermins | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Im with slash on this one, fuck patriotism in metal! And fuck you too! HAwhaw!
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Alejandro Duque | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Horror Show wasn't a bit bland and neither disappointing. The Glorious Burden is not as good as Horror Show.
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Slash | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Well thanks to contributing to the "garbage" by mimicking me, I appreciate it. And I have listened to it a few times in the past couple weeks... And it sucks.
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Madman | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
If I had seen a good arguement, I would have made one in return. Since the big deal here seems to be "This album is gay cuz its all patriotic" (which would be akin to saying the new Exodus album will be gay cuz it's Baloff-less), you will get equally stupid arguments from me. Garbage in, garbage out. It's how the system works. And since it seems to me you haven't even heard the album yet, thats exactly what you're putting in, and therefore getting out.
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Slash | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Yea, thats a great argument. Perhaps you should follow your own advice and "cut" some albums yourself before saying what's good and bad in your reviews. Until then I will say whatever I please.
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Madman | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
All you nay-sayers and shit-talkers go cut albums of your own to show us all how it SHOULD be done? It's obvious you know more about what is good and what is bad than career musicians like Schaffer. And for the record, the majority of the lyrical content in metal is ridiculous, from gore to viking lore to Piratecore. I'm no gung-ho patriot, but if Iron Maiden is allowed to write songs based on books they've read, Schaffer & Iced Earth should be allowed to writes songs about books that he's read - they just happen to be history books.
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Jacksonlefteye | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
can't they do anything other than these campy-ass concept albums? and while they're doing it...why dont they do anything interesting? i have nothing against patriotism, but just something different and original, this stuff is wayyyyy too easy to write about, and that goes for paganistically biased lyrics too... i'll admit, it's hard to deviate from being corny in a power metal band...it literally goes with the territory, but can't these guys at least _try_? i think a good example of a power-metallish band with good lyrics is Nevermore, and i _know_ im gonna get lashed for that...but hey, this is how i feel
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Strength | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Since when do you get to set the criteria for what they sing about? If they want to sing about gorillas assholes,so what,someone would buy it.
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Slash | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
I'll tell you why they don't sing about that Lee- because its not cool at all. And if Schaffer was a Barbie collector, would that give him the right to make his music even more lame by talking about playing with Barbie dolls? Are you fucking shitting me? What this guy does outside of Iced Earth has no business raping my ears with it's gayness. Using turn tables and phat beats isn't allowed in metal, and neither should bullshit like this. My problems come from the fact Iced Earth now sucks and then has to pick my asshole till it bleeds with it's pro-american bullshit. WASN'T THE SUCKY MUSIC ENOUGH? HAVE MERCY ON ME ICED EARTH!!!
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Elysian | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Iced Earth has gone straight down the shitter.
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Madman | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Or maybe Schaffer is just a Civil War buff who decided to write a bunch of songs about soldiers? He owns a damn memorobilia shop called 1776 Collectibles or something (you may also recognize that # from Something Wicked). War buffs write songs about soldiers, Viking buff write songs about vikings, and Pirate buffs write songs about pirates. That's all I'm gonna say. Most of the other lashes are too insipid to even bother with.
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lee | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Those viking bands sing about being annihilated and destroyed by the Christian Armies? Maybe they should have a Pagan/Christin Italian band sing about conquering the Barbarians of the North? Maybe then some Viking band could sing about how they all gave in and converted to Christanity? That would be a cool album lol
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ALEX deMUSTAINE | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Rav I respect your opinon man, but what the fuck are you talking about? Have you even listened to Horror Show properly. If you had you'd know that even to the untrained musical ear, theres a lot of shit going on there. Take Phantom Opera Ghost, or Dracula or even fucking DAMIEN man, just listen to it. Sure. Iced Earth were definitely on the decline with Dark Saga and Something Wicked (IMO) but to say Horror Show follows the same direction would be a fucking ridicule.
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ERK | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
I used to love these guys, all their albums with Matt Barlow (except the semi-weak Horrow Show and that really shitty covers album) were incredible. Now they've decided to get a singer who has a good high range, but a shitty low range. Not a good idea considering Matt could do both of these effortlessly. Then all this cheesy anti-American bullshit puts the nail in the coffin. I'm tired of all this bullshit, because people are so fucking stupid. All of a sudden September 11th happens and then everybody puts goddamn flags on their cars. Gimmie a break, why weren't there flags on your cars before, you scared hypocrites? Well Jon has obviously bought into the hype and is trying to make his band big by jumping on the Patriotism bandwagon. Either that or he's a scared faggot of terrorists and hoping that his pro-USA songs will stop terrorists from bombing us. Either way I think he's a fucking idiot who needs a good shoe to the mouth to wake his dumb fat-ass up. I haven't heard these album yet, but I heard the EP and I think it's okay, but the vocalist is kind of weak and doesn't really fit the band well. A wannabe Halford was never meant to be the frontman of Iced Earth. I hope Matt Barlow gets his balls back and comes back to the band that he was perfect for.
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Wharwulf | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
The Dark Saga is the best thing this band has ever done, and at the rate they're going they will never touch it.
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Slash | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
American patriotism is gay. I rather hear about satan or pagan gods than stupid-fucking united states... fucking lame, spare me the gayness please. And I didn't mention anything about the music because it should be obvious. It's competent, but very stale and boring. Of course if the music was awesome, I would be able to look past the patriotism crap. Don't we hear enough of that shit on the American media? However, this mediocre ablum is pushed over the edge to really annoying me because of the glory of patriotic battle in america. A bunch of white guys shooting each other with womanly guns is not "cool". Viking warriors with battle axes and other things used to bash people's heads in is. More Viking metal, less lame american metal. >|
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lee | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
We should all be a little patriotic for the mere fact we live somewhere were we can it is fucking stupid to be patriotic....Something to think about.
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Jacksonlefteye | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
it just seems kinda corny, immature...this is one of the main reasons ive never been able to listen to Iced Earth, because i know they're trying to appeal to concept freaks where the lyrics take little brainpower to understand
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Strength | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Being turned off by an album because its "Patriotic" is fuckin dumb! If you don't like the music fine ,thats an excuse,but because the guy loves his country is a ridiculous reason to not like an album,Lee is 100% right.
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lee | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
It doesn't seem that the entire album is patriotic, just war themed. What is wrong with being Patriotic anyways? No less gay then singing about Satan or slashing your fucking wrists for the 9000th time. Isn't singing Pagan Hymns to fallen gods by Viking bands Patriotic?
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metalprimed | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Pity that the material isnt that good. I mean if you wish to never leave the 90's its great. But for those of us that wish for this band to move forwards and write "better" music then this offering is bland to say the least. Its no secret that it is Jons limits as a guitarist that prevents this band from reaching its full potential. I say this because im sure he could write some great stuff if he just learnt more technically challenging "stuff" on guitar. Metallica has done it all. He is just following not expanding their great music. The bonus disc is actually much better then the actual album.
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Slash | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
Disappointing. The subject matter is especially gay. Pretty hard to listen to just based on the patriotism nonsense.
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Sole4Raziel | posted on 1/2004 | Reply
A boring album made only worse by the ill-informed patriotic gripe.