Album Review

Score 8
Written by Chris McDonald
Published on 3/10/2008
Few bands active today, if any, polarize the metal community quite like Meshuggah. Throughout the band’s existence, the Swedish outfit has inspired as many adoring fans as vehement, and I mean VEHEMENT detractors. I make no attempt to hide the fact that I love Meshuggah. There was a period of several years where I credited them as my favorite metal band, and while they’ve dropped out of that honorable position in recent times, I still couldn’t name my ten favorite bands without having them somewhere on the list. Every album they’ve released has mutated and progressed the band’s music while simultaneously helping to shape an instantly recognizable, often imitated but never replicated sound that has set Meshuggah far apart from the metal pack. The band’s unusual approach to songwriting and complete disregard for what constitutes “real metal” has earned this band about as much criticism as a legitimate metal band can get, and yet not once have these Swedes ever pandered to the elitist pricks of the metal community in the creation of their art. The band has proved how much they care about outside opinion with each successive album they’ve created, so I’m going to side-step the asinine accusations aimed at Meshuggah regarding lack of musical ability and being a “nu-metal” band (Haha!) and instead direct this review more towards fans of the band or first-time listeners. Because, lets be honest; we all knew before this album even came out that if you’ve never liked this band, nothing on ObZen would do anything to remotely change your mind.

In many ways, ObZen (all cracks about the capitalization wankery aside) feels very much like a summation of all of Meshuggah’s work so far. Don’t get me wrong, this album shows progressions in the outfit’s style like every album before it, but still feels like the most “familiar” work the band has released to date. Elements of the songs can be traced back to each of the band’s benchmark records; you’ll hear the odd-time thrashing of Destroy Erase Improve and Chaosphere, the crushingly bizarre thundering of Nothing, the mechanical atmospherics of Catch-Thirtythree--its all here in some fashion. This is both a good and bad thing. For fans of the band who loved the I EP but were disappointed with the direction shown on the last two full-lengths, this album could very well be the band’s ticket back into your good graces. Its tempo variation, song-based nature, and trademark machine-like heaviness should delight fans of the Chaosphere-era of the band (its my personal favorite release by them). However, those who have favored the relentless progression of the band’s latest albums may be disappointed by ObZen, as it almost feels like a compilation of unused riffs from various stages of Meshuggah’s career at times.

The album sure does start with a bang. After an eerily Tool-esque off-time clean guitar intro, “Combustion” explodes out of the gate with a noodlier riff and faster drum beat than anything on a full-length by them since Destroy, followed by a classic Meshuggah groove that gets things off to a ferociously head-bangable start. It's clear that the band was trying to immediately sway fans worried about more Nothing with this excellent opening song, so it's kind of confusing that the blinding “Combustion” is followed by a song like “Electric Red.” Lumbering and somewhat clumsy, with dull riffs and an ineffective spoken word passage, this song feels like a Nothing B-side. It's not horrible, but it's underwhelming compared to the track that precedes it, and unfortunately this isn‘t the last underwhelming moment on this album. Luckily, lead single “Bleed” picks things back up. “Bleed” begins with one of the heaviest grooves on the album (if you can‘t rock out to this, you have no ears), then gradually alters the tempo and riff construction throughout the course of the song with brilliant subtlety. This has always been what’s set Meshuggah apart for me; their ability to make small changes to a song that make a larger impact overall, not unlike the best ambient artists. “ObZen” begins with a dark groove and floaty lead section before transitioning into some great angular riffs and then a brutal breakdown at around the 2:00 mark. Definitely one of the best songs on here.

“This Spiteful Snake,” while faltering with more of those Nothing-reject riffs, contains some oddly melodic riff/lead sections that point towards interesting directions for the band. Epic closer “Dancers To A Discordant System” continues this trend in its middle section to great effect, and helps keep that track interesting for its long duration. This melodic sense is further explored in Fredrik Thordendal’s solos. Thordendal’s leads, often brilliant but occasionally aimless in the past, continue to bewilder with their interesting blend of atmospheric simplicity and jazz-like shredding. His smooth, discordant leads on “Pineal Gland Optics” are particularly compelling and save that song from being more dull than it is. Thomas Haake is up to his usual standard of excellence on the drum kit, keeping flawless time and continually challenging the confines of metal drumming--no surprise there. Jens Kidman’s vocals sound…well, exactly the same as they’ve always been. While I’ve always defended his vocals as suitable to the music, even I have to admit that this element of the band’s sound is in desperate need of growth. At least on Catch he experimented a little here and there; on ObZen he retains the same exact tone throughout, and after six albums it's starting to get a little tiresome. Conversely, his voice has become such an iconic part of Meshuggah’s sound that it's damn near impossible to imagine someone taking his place at this point.

So this is a long review, because this band is a big deal. Anything they put out is sure to make tidal waves throughout the metal community and inspire fervent debate between fans and haters. Personally, as a long-time fan who has heard virtually everything this act has put out, I feel somewhat let down by ObZen. None of the songs are bad by any means, but judging by the intensity shown in songs like “Combustion” and “Pineal Gland Optics“ and the promising melodic inclinations found in “This Spiteful Snake” and “Dancers To A Discordant System,” this album could very well have been the next major step in Meshuggah’s progression. Instead, it feels like they kinda went half-way, filling in the gaps with riffs leftover from the Chaosphere and Nothing sessions. Make no mistake, I love those albums for what they are, but following the positively groundbreaking nature of Catch-Thirtythree, ObZen almost feels like a greatest-hits album with new songs (if that makes any sense). At the peak of their success and popularity and with a huge and dedicated fan base, it's time for Meshuggah to move forward, not back. ObZen is a very good album that will surely please any existing fans of the band--it delivers everything we’ve come to expect from these Swedish giants in spades and a little more. But it's hard to shake the feeling that Meshuggah failed to really take advantage of the opportunities they had here.



Score 8.7
Written by Ian Chainey
Published on 3/11/2008
There’s something oddly troubling about writing about your favorite metal band. For some reason, you feel the need to constantly defend your decisions, like all of the credibility of your argument has been sucked out due to your intense favoritism and bias. So, you’re stuck in a reviewin’ quandary, answering unasked, imaginary attacks with really stupid knee-jerk responses, trying to get the heathens to see the light with braindead, hammer-smash-face obvious terms (Example: “Fuck you, this rawks!” Why? “‘Cause it fuckin‘ does, brah.”). But, as those of who have followed my philosophical crisis over the past year regarding how one should write about music while fully recognizing the subjective, “there ain’t no good/bad” horseshit it entails know, that’s something I just can’t bring myself to do. With that rattlin’ around your noggin, I present you two confessions:

1. I’m a Meshuggah fan-boy until death.

2. This really worries me.

More on the latter in a second. If you’re looking for detailed talk on obZen, look above. I’m right there with Chris with the exception that I like the groovy bits far more than the speedy bits. I agree though, this is a decent entry into Meshuggah’s discography. Yeah, a decent one. Is it still a must buy for fans? Yep. Is it still a good starting place for those that are interested in what the groove-infused stylistic period might hold? Yep. Yet, it’s still just decent in my book. It’s not their best by any means due to a lack of memorable on-the-surface parts (more on this in a second, too) and songwriting growth. What made Catch 33 such an absolute joy--the tongue-in-cheek approach to clever metal molding (sections that last thirty-two seconds, etc.), the Derek Bailey-derived weird licks, the dynamic brilliance and the sublime rise and fall of the album on the whole--have been excised in favor of something that’s still interesting, but lacks the same dramatic flair and eh-who-gives-a-fuck experimentalism of their recent work. Still, it’s Meshuggah, so you know the drill; pleasingly neck-snapping and string-bending riffs sit next to staccato chugs, their unique sense of timing still reigns supreme, and Tomas Haake’s inhuman control still astounds. But, obZen is almost like another Nothing in design rather than sound in that both albums’ overall consistency is their downfall with nothing really reaching above and beyond (This quote from Catch 33 sums up this part of the band's career nicely: "The struggle to free myself of restraints/ Becomes my very shackles.“ Bingo). In a way, it’s almost Meshuggah-by-numbers, something that’ll sate fans, convert a few here and there, and spawn yet another wave of bands that will take what they’ve learned from obZen and apply it to their own music (Meshuggah metal is damn near on its way to becoming its own subgenre as the kids add a bit of poly to their rhythms). But then, there’s the subtle differences, the details, and that’s where we get into confession numero dos.

Quickie tangent: Once upon a time during my more lucid days, I remember reading a discussion on avant-garde classical. Two kids were arguing about its musical merits, particularly whether recorded “real world” sounds, in this case traffic, constituted music. Kid A claimed that it could be music because there was a hidden logic to the chaos which, sadly, is where I fall because I’m a pretentious douche. Kid B, quite justly, claimed that chaos was chaos and, kind of like B.F. Skinner’s pigeons, Kid A falsely found an underlying logic because he so desperately wanted it to be there. And, in a convoluted sort of way, that’s why I worry about being such a diehard Meshuggah fan. I’m worried that I’ve fallen into the trap that captures diehard fans, that I’m desperately looking for the elements I need to continue putting my favorite band on the highest of pedestals.

But, enough about moi (Gang shout: THANK GOD!). obZen, on the surface, makes those elements hard to find. There’s a natural been-there-done-that conformity that accompanies the first listen of any Meshuggah album, like the density of their guitar tone obscures some kind of greater, underlying truth about their music. Nothing changes here. The first listen was a let-down with only the tracks that were a real visceral experience making the grade. “Bleed” is designed to batter and bash and it does exactly that. Meanwhile, tracks like “Pineal Gland Optics” and the fine finisher “Dancers To A Discordant System” take a little longer to enjoy because of their attention to detail. And, really, I derive a lot of my enjoyment from those details. My fanatical love of Meshuggah is based on that very fact, that the details, to me, are what makes them good. Like the brush strokes on a fine work of art or the lighting in an amazing portrait, it’s those details that help bring out the bigger picture. And, honestly, a lot of the time I feel rather lukewarm about the bigger picture. When I pull back from obZen, it just doesn’t interest me that greatly. But, under the microscope, there’s a whole wealth of interesting shit swimming about, morphing, and evolving. To put it simply, there’s a lot of little things going on and, while it might be strange to say, the band’s ideology and history needs to be understood to really squeeze out any sort of meaning or appreciation from the tunes.

Here’s what I mean: While the math analogies are surely overlabored, here’s another: the first couple listens are like trying to decipher a new equation; it’s a terribly frustrating process until it clicks. I know this well because I hated math throughout my young adult life until I sat down with it and really studied not only the equations but why they existed in the first place. And I practiced. A lot. Until it finally clicked. Doing the same with Meshuggah is almost a prerequisite. Knowledge of the way they construct their rhythms seems to make the band click for neophytes. In the same boat, it's also worth knowing why Thordendal’s solos tumble out of the amp in the way they do. That understanding makes their masterful twists and turns that much more incredible. It’s like previous knowledge of Holdsworth and Bailey just increases your appreciation of ’em (Other jazz figures too. I‘m amazed at how freaking hard most of his solos swing. Like, I don‘t know, some mutant Sonny Rollins or something. YES, I HAVE LOST MY MIND). That’s asking for preparation and study though, which makes me sound like a disillusioned Cecil Taylor asking his audience to brush up on theory and ideas of tonality. In the eyes of most, that’s some straight bullshit. I understand that.

But, check it, this is kind of my philosophy on Meshuggah and previous knowledge of details in action: To these lightly trained ears, it sounds like Haake makes this shift in his drumming style during the album‘s second half. It’s like he’s no longer content to accent the downstrokes with his kicks. Instead, he starts hitting those marks with his snare. That’s enough to blow my mind. I’m dead serious. Just that simple shift turned my pants into the Boner Motel: No Vacancies. Will the shift do the same thing to you? I don’t know. Meshuggah has always had that divisive effect on listeners, a true love/hate separation that doesn’t have a middle ground. They’re the classic case of a band that you can’t decide if you like just by reading about them, you have to actually listen to ’em. So, in summation, asking for my critical evaluation of this album is something I don’t feel right about giving up because I really do feel blinded by favoritism and what I enjoy about the band seems so miniscule in the grand scheme of things. Pulling back, I can say that the album is decent and I’ll probably hear better things this year. Yet, I love it, solely because it’s Meshuggah. That’s about as honest as I can be.

Keep in mind these two things, though:

1. I’m a Meshuggah fan-boy until death.

2. This really worries me.

And maybe this third:

3. I’m batshit insane.



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Anonymous | posted on 12/2010 | Reply
To clarify, the second review sucked balls - the first one rawked.
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Anonymous | posted on 12/2010 | Reply
this review sucked balls. just saying.
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soccernick913 | posted on 12/2008 | Reply
great album....i personally prefer the slower meshugga albums like obzen, catch 33 and nothing. caosphere is absolutely rediculous but a little too fast and thrashy at times
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gap | posted on 5/2008 | Reply
Inexorable I hear what you are saying but. ... then As I listen to the album I agree with you then disagree. Is that not what Meshuggah is meant to create. I mean when as it ever been cohesive. The underrated Textures album comes to mind. I am enjoying this
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destroyeraseimpala | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
Its kind of easy to forget, because of the accessible back-rhythm, but meshuggahs one of the heaviest bands in the world. I wish they'd add more melody though. When they do (straws pulled at random) it's ridiculous.
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rusvra4 | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
when i first listened i enjoyed but was not overwhelmed like many of their releases, after the 3rd listen i began to really get into it, and now this is all i can listen to for the time being, so dense, and yet so accessible for a meshuggah album, just an incredibly awesome band.
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Farkus911 | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
So basically i love this album, i disagree with the people who say that this album is jsut a compliation of all their other albums with no shred of originality. Sure, soem of the songs sound more like one album than another but it really pissed me off hopw meshuggha and non meshuggah fans nitpick at the stupidest things. You'll never hear an Uneart fan analyze every song off In The Eyes Of Fire, to say which songs sound like their first album and which sound like their second. Idk i think that kind of talk is pointless. I feel that this is their most technical, diverse, epic and most fun to listen to album that they have ever put out, and thats why it is their best. And like i would say that certain album have a certain feel to them. Like DEI is very groove bassed but still thrashy, Chaosphere is just unrelenting chaos and Nothing is like slow and powerful, I guess the style of obzen or whatever would be harder to define because it is more diverse but i guess it would just be lie the most energetic album, it switched it up with a good balance of slower and fast songs and like theres just an energy a bout the music. Idk i love it, i think its accessible because the music is jsut too good to be ignored and if their ever was an album that could put meshuggah o nthe map it will be this one
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sauron | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
This will probably be my first Meshuggah album as it seemingly contains more variation than previous albums. If I like this then I will check out the others.
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Bradination | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
I love all things Meshuggah. obZen is by far their most comprehensive release. I think they felt they needed to do a please everybody album after Catch33 (which is my personal favorite release from them) and it's understandable. They haven't lost me at all here. Great album and great reviews.
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steve p | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
The guys in the forum have been talking about the Cryptopsy thing. Supposedly this is a quote from another board. 'I sent a message to Cryptopsy's myspace pertaining to the awfulness of those songs that were posted online and actually got a response: "theses songs are on the album as mood songs.. they are actually the least heavy songs.. we don't know who puted thoses songs online but next week we'll post a new song on my space.. and I swear to God.. you won't be dissapointed..
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JB | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
I just grabbed my copy of None So Vile and Whisper Supremacy and gave them a big hug. If any of the guys from Cryptopsy are reading this, please reconsider before you release that. I'm still not convinced that's them.
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JB | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
I know what I like when I hear it. I like ObZen for the most part. BTW, thanks for the tip on Crypto, Rev. I'll check it out.
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Steve P | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
@TheInexorableDark I'm really "puzzled" how anyone who loves Meshuggah can not enjoy this album. Its really got a little bit of everything they're ever done. The only "complaint" I could understand is that they're done it before. But on a serious note this isn't just to you but I think the most annoying thing I find about music is a person has to say "I'm a musician" before stating their opinion. This may be important to conversations sometimes but as well all know there are a lot of douchebag musicians that really have no musical taste whatsoever.
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TheInexorableDark | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
While I've always felt the reviews here were more accurate and intelligent than anywhere else on the net today, I have to say that, from the standpoint of a twenty-year musician and songwriter in almost every genre and sub-genre of extreme metal, this is the weakest album Meshuggah has ever released. The song writing is mediocre at best, hence the musicianship is nothing spectacular by any means, and not a single song on this album feels as if it has any real "purpose". While there are some riffs that are outstanding in their heaviness, groove and occasionally atmosphere, the riffs are generally weak and uninteresting. Again, as a songwriter, the solo that felt like a "forced" throwback to DEI in "Bleed", literally ruins the song and the dark, brooding atmosphere of the clean guitars that precede it seconds before, which is the key they should have stuck with. It's completely out-of-place, no matter how you hear it. There is absolutely no aesthetic to this album what-so-ever, which was a hugely disappointing shock, but the truth none-the-less. Perhaps some opinions are a bit "jaded", as people can almost "convince" themselves of the quality of something should they want it to be great and/or are true supporters of an artist. As a very strong follower of Meshuggah since the release of their EP, I was extremely disappointed with this album as a whole. A few good riffs do not an album make, and the only thing that makes this album seem like more than it is, is due to the outstanding production. I'm all for experimentation and forward-thinking, but this is the equivalent of neither. There is no "cohesion" to the music, no "coming together" at any point, and is lacking in both songwriting and atmosphere. Minimalism is not the problem, as much power can be derived from but a few notes, but it's how those notes are used, and in what context of a song. Nor is experimentation or change a problem, as long the music has something to offer and is truly expressive and quality, none of which, sadly, I can say is offered on this album. In closing: "bat-shit insane"? Perhaps not, but with all respect to the otherwise trustworthy reviewers here (IMO), these reviews are far off-the-mark. Everyone has their own tastes and affinities, and I respect that, but from an objective musical standpoint, this album is simply a lackluster offering and an excise in frustrating listening.
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Reverend Campbell  | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
@JB: There is a thread about the new Cryptopsy in the forums, complete with links to the leaked tracks.
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JB | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
@Chris McDonald I don't believe I ever said anything about Cryptopsy being geniuses, and I seriously doubt they're doing anything "radio-friendly" on their next album. I'll believe it when I hear it. But since you guys know where to hear new Cryptopsy material and I don't, then I'm at a disadvantage. Where did you hear it, and are you SURE it's Cryptopsy? If you're talking about Once Was Not (which I liked), I'd like to know what radio station you're listening to.
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Chris McDonald  | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
@JB If by "experiementing" you mean completely bastardizing anything that remotely resembles their original sound in favor of simplistic, radio-friendly hard-rock songs with laughable death metal undertones, than yes, Cryptopsy are geniuses.
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Anxiety Hangover | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
I am a huge Meshuggah fan and have been for most of the last fifteen years and have delighted in each of their new incarnations. Obzen is a good album, one that seems to get better the more I listen to it. "Bleed" has to be one of the better "regular" metal songs they've ever written. And "Dancers to a Discordant System," should be the new standard by which all tech metal/math metal/heavy prog is judged. That being said, I think their best album is definitely Catch Thirty Three. It's as dense, heavy, dark and genuinely emotionally intense as any album ever released and ranks with the best heavy metal albums of all time. There are moments on Catch Thirty Three, that after even twenty years of metal fandom, still leave me in awe of there sheer overwhelming power. But I'm glad they didn't make the same album again, or necessarily continue along the same path. Part of the reason I like and appreciate Meshuggah so much is their ability to change drastically without altering the fundamentals of their sound.
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JB | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
Cryptopsy have always left room for experimentation. Now they're doing it. Still a fan. And if they make money in the process, good for them. Some bands tend to try something new when they get a new vocalist. I doubt they're gonna get much heavier than None So Vile and Whisper Supremacy. BTW, where did you find new Crypto material? And for the band at hand...I totally understand why some people can't get into Meshuggah. But once again, I like the new one.
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YourMom | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
Bah. I really hate when a band release their most well written album to date and all the reviewers can say is "eh, it sounds like thier other stuff." So the fuck what? It's not as experimental as Catch 33 but it, in my oh so humble opinion, is far more memorable and fun to listen too. Meshuggah is Meshuggah...I don't want them to turn into something else for the sake of progression. This is just a great record, and I think that's the best people should ask for in a band. The reviews were well-written, I just strongly disagree with the overall message and tone of them. Listen to the Cryptopsy songs that just leaked over the net to see what happens when a band becomes obsessed with changing their sound (that's an exagerration of course...I don't think Crypto was as interested in changing their sound as they were in makin teh $$$$)
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Iron Maiden | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
To the dude... Who are you? The censorship police? Hop of my balls, please.
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the dude | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
To Iron Maiden: We get it already. You don't like any form of harsh vocals. Is that all you ever have to say? Did it ever occur to you that some of us may enjoy that vocal style? Do me a favor, the next time there is a band with vocals that you don't like...don't tell us.
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endless yeti | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
best reviews ever. you guys describe how i philosophize and listen to meshuggah perfectly, and the quote from catch 33 was genius. def be picking this up! thanks for having good reviewers metal review
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arriver | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
yo JB: I dig all of it. "I" made me poop my pants, it was the first I heard of them and still may be the high water mark for me. But Catch 33 gets better with each listen. For standout tracks I have to go with "Closed Eye Visual" (as previously stated) and "Neurotica" (from Chaosphere). And Sloanan: yeah, they're Tech, and Techmetal generally bores me to tears. But these guys always keep your neck snapping and sneak the in tech like a knife in the back. I guess I was hoping the new album would continue off from Catch 33, but tracks like "Bleed" are undeniable.
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Iron Maiden | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
Alright. I just gave this two full spins and I still don't get it. It's OK, I guess. And why can't bands find a halfway decent vocalist these days? Really....what the fuck?
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Irukandji | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
The one thing I'd like these guys to do that they haven't in years is make a unique video like the one for 'New Millennium Cyanide Christ'.
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Irukandji | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
I was very glad these guys were making a new record. I've never been a die hard but have always enjoyed the progressive nature, ball smashing heaviness, and tight execution every record. I'd kill for these guys to use heavier amps or Vader cabs or something (I hate Line6's processed sound), but I do not know what they slave in the studio, etc. And I've never seen them live, but will with the Ministry tour. Great reviews; some songs are a 6, some are a 4, imao, so the scores are fair. They are one of those bands that is technically proficient in writing/farming groove riffs and the use of polyrythms in odd time signatures, and rythms within rythms. That's what Meshuggah is. Shit there's a class taught at Berklee College of Music about polyrythms as pioneered by guys like Frank Zappa (and classical compositions too), and Meshuggah is one of the focal points of the course.
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mettalmann | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
How anyone loves a Metal band that uses a drum machine in the studio is beyond me. Next thing you know they'll use a syth for the guitars too....... Their EP was the best after that is has been nothing but crap.
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Iron Maiden | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
I never really understood the facination with these guys.
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FollowChrist | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
I'm not that impressed. They are heavy. That's the only thing they have going for them. Vocals are creepy.
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ethr | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
My fav is the I EP and this one right up there. I bought it yesterday and have listened to it all the way thru 4 times. That almost never happens.
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RationalGaze | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
as a graphic designer i have to agree that the censored cover is really bad and I mean BAAAAD jesus America sucks. As bad as if not worse than Black Label Society's Shot to Hell, the actual uncensored cover isn't so bad it's on their myspace page album still rips though :)
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Stalker | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
Tool...lol...looks like Maynard on the cover, save the top hat. I hated nothing, never bought an album since and dont plan to.
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sloanan | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
TO JB What's so odd about the cover is that he looks like he's calmy sniffing the hand that violated a thousand virgins.
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JB | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
It's a trip to see how split Meshuggah fans are as far as what albums are their faves. It seems to be split between the DEI, Chaosphere, I camp, and the Nothing/Catch 33 camp. I belong to the former. I was so disappointed with Nothing, but some people love it. It was just too boring for me. Too slow and repetitive. It was kinda like Tenacious D's One Note Song...play the same note over and over again, and throw in the bendy thing every now and then. I for one, am digging the new album. Other than I, it's the best thing I've heard from them since Chaosphere (which was released 10 years ago). And by the way, for people griping about the vocals, as soon as he changes his vocal style, people would scream "SELL OUT". You know this. But yeah, Dude could vary it up a bit. Also, what's so awful about the album cover?
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sloanan | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
See, that's my thing. I'm not a fan of Technical Metal, so they haven't appealed to me in the past.
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Zaibach | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
I find the vocals.. irritating, gets on my nerves. So is their sound.. now that I think of it, I never really liked Meshuggah. I usually enjoy Technical Metal but for some reason, this band doesn't excite my ears.
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sloanan | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
To Arriver: I'm not exactly dissing Nothing. I just agree with those who say it isn't the best place to start with with these guys. I'm sure it would be a good album hearing nowadays if I could find where I put it, but at the time I heard it, it just wasn't my thing. Not bad, mind you. I just wasn't into it. I'll give it another chance after I get my hands on some of their other stuff. I just really haven't listened to Meshuggah on a regular basis and just now got interested.
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Deke' | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
Pretty damn cool album, nice reviews too. Didn't lose me for a second.
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ARRIVER | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
Hey, why all this dissing on Nothing? Go back and listen to "Closed Eye Visual" again... to quote Mr Chainey "Boner Motel: No Vacancies!
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trezevant  | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
...but holy fucking Jesus poo is that cover horrible.
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trezevant  | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
The thing I liked most about this album is the way they combined the weird jazzy melodicism of Catch-33 with the pummeling rhythms of their older stuff. Is it their least experimental release to date? Yes. Is it the most diverse, well-rounded and challenging thing they've put out so far? I think so. Great writeups, brosephs.
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Las7 | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
I enjoyed this album very much. Can't say it's my favorite; Catch33 and DEI have me torn on that issue. In a way I feel that I agree quite infinatly with Chris on his review; it's a brilliant album but you just feel that they could push the envelope alot more after Catch but instead sidestepped and stumbled on familar territory. Perhaps I expected too much after being blow away by previous efforts and this has made my overall judgment on this album a bit biased. It's a great album-I have listened to it quite alot because I couldnt wait for the offical release. But from Meshuggah a band so tallanted that they could write new rules in genre of metal great isnt good enough.
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fightingmike | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
Yeah, it isnt as progressive or weird as Catch 33, but it is heavier and more like I and i still love it too. There isnt any band out their that has what Meshuggah has and the fw that have tried to mimic them havent really done it in a very developed or interesting way. It is a little boring sure, but only compared to other Meshuggah records
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sloanan | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
heh, he kinda does. For some reason I thought it was Jens Kidman without the beard and with lotsa makeup.
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dont panic | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
the guy on the cover looks like maynard keenan.
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Devin | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
Loved reading Ian Chainey's review -- even if it didn't say much about the album in a traditional sense. I'm in a similar (if not, the same) boat, so I can completely relate.
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sloanan | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
To Flah and Zach: Thanks for that. I'll be sure to check it out. I've heard a bit of this one and it sounds pretty good, but I'll probably check out Chaosphere first. And to Zach, I completely agree that Nothing is hard as hell to get into and I probably shouldn't have gotten that one first. But if I can find it, I'll give it another listen. If there's anything I've learned in the past couple of years, its that you can't simply judge something solely on your first couple of listens. A good example of that would be Emperor's Prometheus album. I hated it the first time I heard it, but almost a year later, it's become one of my favorite Emperor cd's (not THE favorite, but one of my top 5. Which, come to think of it, is actually more full lengths than they have. Whoops.)
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VileVengeance | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
This album destroys. Bleed just shreds. 666
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zach  | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
To Sloanan, I agree with flah, Chaosphere is a great introduction to Meshuggah. This new one actually is too. Nothing is one of my favorites by them, but its incredibly hard to get into and NOT at all a recommended first listen.
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flah | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
@ sloanan: Chaosphere is a GREAT intro. Some of their best work on that one and it's still fairly easy to swallow.
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sloanan | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
Hmm...Interesting. I've only listened to Nothing before and I didn't really like it. Wasn't bad, mind you, but nothing that made me excited. But I always give bands a second chance, so judging what I've read here, I might just do that. But I gotta ask what the best Meshuggah album would be to start with. I've heard Nothing was different from their other stuff, so I'm excluding that as I've already heard it and don't really care for it.
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Steve P | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
Basically you guys summed it up, this album is basically a combination of everything they've done so far. With that said this is their least experimental album to date but their most varied at the same time. I agree with you guys except I just love this album and will most likely be my favorite of the year. At the very least the pure weight of this album puts deathcore bands to shame.
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chud | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
For me this album is a 6/6/6. It has something for fans of "I" and something for fans of "Nothing". Just check out the first track if your worried Meshuggah is quagmired into the "Catch 33" writing style. Also, "Dancers To A Discordant System" is a great one. If you like Meshuggah AT ALL this album is awsome, and if your a die-hard fan, I can't see how this album would disapoint you.
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captain  | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
Great reads, fellers. Nice work. I tried to get into this, but it still just sorta flies over my head. Maybe some part of my brain is underdeveloped or something. Certainly an early contender for worst album COVER of the year though. :)
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brandonmetal | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
I've never been a Meshuggah fan, and have avoided them because of the repetitive style, but I can say that I like this new record! The guitar tone is sick! Recommended!
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jimmy_coffin | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
Meshuggah is from my hometown, i saw them live just 2 weeks ago, maybe i was to damn drunk to recognize the new songs from the old, but i never really liked meshuggah that much-not that i dislike them either,,tech-metal isnt just my thing, but it sure was a crazy gig as always,,watching meshuggah is like A-Bombs fuckn nuke the stage, and now they headed on a massive tour with ministry, and ministry is my all-time favorite band, so its gonna be crazy watching both meshuggah and ministry this summer, be sure to catch them live,couse its ministrys last fuckn tour./like nobody didnt knew that,/,,
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Razorhog | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
I've tried. I've really tried. Meshuggah just doesn't do anything for me. They are talented...talented at making absolutely un-memorable music. It's just a bunch of random time signature changes....which takes a lot of skill to memorize, but I just don't get it. How many times have you had a Meshuggah song stuck in your head? Probably never.
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zach  | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
Big Meshuggah fan, big fan of this album. Just getting that in there before the hate starts on this thread.
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RationalGaze | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
Track by track analysis seems too inviting due to the seemingly random tracklisting. If you have prejudices against any of their albums beware for they all rear their ugly heads at some point or another on the mighty OBZEN.: Combustion - Instant love/hate song for Meshuggah fans, way to start an album right haha, either too simple or refreshingly nostalgic Electric Red - brilliant use of nothing/catch33 styles watch out for that climax and the ensuing breakdown it may break your house down Bleed - the lead single for a reason, the snake like riffing and constantly shifting patterns make this an instant classic, the band is really flexing their collective muscles here Lethargica - as the name implies a plodding song that is reminiscent of Nebulous from Nothing only groovier and more memorable ObZen - very Chaosphere-ish, especially NMCC, great breakdowns This Spiteful Snake - holy shit the solo Pineal Gland Optics - this is the sound of the new Meshuggah, extremely groovy, inventive and bizarre, great great stuff Pravus - another highlight for brootal fans, very heavy track, the double bass never lets up and Haake's fills shine here Dancers to a Discordant System - long but NOT epic, it feels like a mini Catch33, some killer riffs to digest but no big bang Albums phenomenal because every song is phenomenal. Their most diverse and dynamic to album to date, easily a 6,6,6 imo or at least 6,5,6.
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Stu | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
Top Review. Pretty much sums up my feelings aswell, i'm just not quite as dissapointed. I hope they don't stagnate and go out on a limb for the next one. Super album nonetheless, Meshuggah is yet to fail.
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Elpants | posted on 3/2008 | Reply
Excellent album. Can never get enough of the unique Meshugga sound.