Album Review

Score 7
Written by Chris Chellis
Published on 12/8/2007
Now that Ire Works has been out for a while, all of us have had a bit of time to reflect on Dillinger Escape Plan's third full-length. First and foremost, this album was supposed to be the band's big thrust toward the mainstream. We're speaking primarily in terms of sales, but for many that step went hand-in-hand with a more accessible sound. To say the least, sales weren't as expected. A #142 debut on the Billboard 200 with 7,000 copies sold the first week of release might be something worth popping a cork over for most metal bands, but somehow I am thinking DEP and Relapse were expecting more.

There are a number of reasons why less people were interested in buying Ire Works than many had predicted. DEP went through a number of lineup changes since the 2004 release, Miss Machine. When you lose a founding member, in this case drummer Chris Pennie, you're bound to experience hardship in some form. DEP also lost guitarist Brian Benoit to nerve damage. Did losing these two have any effect on the sound? I think so. Taking even one guitarist out of the mix is a pretty big deal when you only had two to begin with. For a "mathcore" band like DEP, the effect is that much more pronounced. Losing a founding member can also be a huge detriment to chemistry.

An immediate comparison came to mind after the first listen: Ire Works doesn't feel as seamlessly constructed as Miss Machine. Even with its relatively short length (38.4 minutes), there are a few tracks I don't care for in the least. In their attempt to keep it real while still incorporating more recognizable song structures DEP has failed to establish an identity here. I would have preferred a complete devotion to writing songs more closely resembling "Unretrofied" and "Setting Fire to Sleeping Giants." It's the same mistake Shadows Fall made when writing Threads of Life. The DEP fanbase isn't so underground that they're going to protest a new album that sounds, for lack of a better word, poppy.

What Mastodon did with Blood Mountain is a good framework for what I would have liked to have seen from DEP with Ire Works. Keep the gut of your sound (the general sense of insanity this band tends to produce), sing just a tad bit cleaner, don't shy away from choruses and, above all, write good songs. I am not asking for a complete pop record that sacrifices character for accessibility, but bands can maintain their identity while still experimenting with a different sound. Judas Priest did it. Sabbath did it. Rush did it. Mastodon continues to do it. Need I go on? It CAN be done successfully. Unfortunately, DEP only went halfway. Songs like "Black Bubblegum" and "Milk Lizard" clearly show that the band is capable of deviating from their norm in remarkable fashion. While admirable from a purely technical standpoint, songs like "Party Smasher," "82588," and "Lurch" force this band to take three steps back from whatever "Milk Lizard" accomplished. "Sick On Sunday," a pointless amalgamation of strange effects, guitar noodling and affected vocals, simply doesn't belong on the same album as a song like "Black Bubblegum." The same could be said for "When Acting As a Particle."

Disappointment came pretty easy for me because I quickly made the comparison between Ire Works and Miss Machine. A mistake? Maybe. But if it's a mistake, it's a mistake most listeners will make. The poppier songs are more convincing on Ire Works, but to the album's detriment they are few and far between. The noodly, more traditional mathcore songs were far better on Miss Machine than on this new one, and that's essentially what separates the two. If you must own one DEP album for history's sake, that album is still Calculating Infinity, but Miss Machine was the one DEP album that really clicked for me. Ire Works never clicked the same way. Diehard DEP fans already own this, so I won't say anything either way for them. However, casual DEP fans and those into more progressive stuff should prepare for at least mild disappointment.



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Anonymous | posted on 2/2011 | Reply
Seems like DEP fans are really either with Miss Machine or with Ire Works. I have personally followed this band's progress since their first album and I'm a huge fan of their music. And I personally believe Ire Works is their best work. I know, Miss Machine has a place in all DEP fans because it was "The" Album. But Ire Works is a masterpiece with much higher and wider appeal IMO. Their Miss Machine may be their Master of Puppets but This is their "Black" Album if you know what I mean.
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Fleas-n-Flowers | posted on 1/2010 | Reply
THIS ALBUM IS GREAT, IF YOU DONT HAVE A LARGE CAPACITY IN YOUR BRAIN- ITS OK, THE SONGS ARE STILL GREAT. I LOVE THIS DILLINGER ALBUM!!!!!!!!!
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Fleas-n-Flowers | posted on 1/2010 | Reply
I dont know how Chris Chellis can say all those negative things about this Dillinger album, this album is probably the best album i have ever heard! i thought there first album calculating infinity was great and ground breaking, this band found a way to make songs so delightful to a prog metal fan and still be pleasing to the prog metals girlfriend with its great vocals and hooks, this album does some unreal stop/start beats with jazz chord riffing, unbeleivable is the song writing, by the way Gil did a great job on the drums. GO BUY THIS ALBUM!!!!
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daring dick whiskey | posted on 5/2009 | Reply
i finally gave this a good listen and this is good to say the least. as of right now, after having my fair share of cocktails, i can easily say "Dead As History" is a standout. I don't think this is a waste by any stretch
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chatham | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
Thanks for the review and all the lashes. I got this for Christmas and decided not to open it. I traded it in at Schoolkids.
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Rock | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
I'm a huge fan of Miss Machine and Irony is a Dead Scene. Ire Works sounds like... well... it's technically sound but uninspired. I agree with the notion that more songs like Setting Fire to Sleeping Giants and Unretrofied would've made this album killer. There's plenty of bands out there that do mathcore... and to be honest, a lot of bands who do it better than DEP does these days. Sad. The loss of Chris Pennie is fucking obvious here... the drumming simply doesn't amaze me anymore. That's one thing DEP was always able to do.
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math | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
you want your fix of "math metal"... then listen to psyopus, DEP just sold out...
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violence_breeds | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
Mathcore ? I've heard it all now. What a crock.
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blunt | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
the only listenable songs amount to about 25 minutes of the cd. witch kinda sucks. but whats there is ok, i guess. there is still some pretty sweet mathcore on this cd and the song milk lizard is probably my favorite song ever by this group. if your not the biggest fan of DEP then i just cant see dishin out 10 bucks for this.
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SunnyvaleTrash | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
farcry king 12/20/2007 10:34 PM They said the album would bring back fans of calculating infinity, after you buy it and listen to it you go straight back to C.I. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Truth.
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Benjamin g | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
Well done. The vocals are a bit outlandish and pop friendly, resembling KSE a bit, but they're quality and commendable. I love the tech songs-damn fine metal.
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Bleakest Harvest | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
This album is much better than MM.
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blah | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
I find that this album seems very arrogant. As if they figured they could get away with releasing something like this. To me, very little, if anything meshes well on this album. I think the standout track was definitely Milk Lizard which seems like a natural evolution of the Miss Machine sound, however everything else is a mix of trying to sound like Calculating Infinity and trying to sound like a Mike Patton project. The random garbage noise tracks really detract from this album. Even if they had just constructed more well thought out songs instead of such a convoluted mess this album would have been acceptable, as it stands though I feel like they just said, "Fuck it. We'll still get paid".
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farcry king | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
They said the album would bring back fans of calculating infinity, after you buy it and listen to it you go straight back to C.I.
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drew ailes | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
fantastic review, chris
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random metalhead | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
I respect the view of the reviewer and its a well written review but i feel completely opposite about this cd, I think they have grown on each release, miss machine being my favorite before Ire Works, and this cd tops that in my books. From beginning to end this cd is amazing full of variety and experimentation to a level they haven't done before. If you like dillinger at all and haven't heard this before listen to it your self before being deterred by the people who don't like this
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deathtoemo_420 | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
i love the unpredictability of this album that is what sold me on it actually i love how they still show they are one of the premier tech bands around but i loe black bubblegum and milk lizard but my fave song on the cd is prolly horse hunter love the diversity on this cd definatly in my top 10 for the year and yes 08 is gonna be great brain drill, meshuggah, god 08 is gonna be sick put your jocks on kiddies
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Steve P | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
For a guy that loves Dillinger so much you'd think you could spell their name correctly. That being said Black Bubblegum is actually my favorite track on the album. This album is very inconsistent and really does seems like they decided to write half Calculating Infinity type songs and half Patton songs. I really wish they would just pick one of those styles and do something interesting with that rather than trying to please people that hate the poppier sound yet while trying to get new fans. Realistically DEP will not be able to satisfy all fans of CI while heading more commercial territory and I think they really need to write the album they want to write rather than half an album.
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deathtoemo_420 | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
i love dillenger still after this release continual evolution is suppose to happen but anyway yeah [syopus are technically proficent they just need to learn how to write better songs
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Devin | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
I liked this review, but I actually felt myself turned off by songs like 'Black Bubblegum." I think L-Piece has an interesting point about them trying to recapture what Patton did on Irony Is a Dead Scene. I think they need to shy away from the Patton worship a little bit next time around -- the continuity of this record suffered greatly with their increased experimentation. I know it's trite, misguided, and stupid at this point, but I sort of wish they'd write another record like Calculating Infinity. I could get on board with a 'pop' DEP record, too, but the long-dormant teenage tech fan in me secretly wants the crazy old Dillinger back.
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ellipsis | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
STILL haven't listened to this album just because I honestly don't know if I'm going to like what I'll hear. I've loved this band for years, and thought "Miss Machine" was great, but I don't know if I'm ready to turn my back on this band like I have so many others.
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L-Piece | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
My favorite DEP release is Irony is a Dead Scene, Patton took the band to a different level and I think they've been trying to hit that sweet spot ever since. This album gets real damn close though with some flat out Patton worship. I think the album flows pretty well actually, I don't hear the song-to-song approach other people are describing. Musically I think they sound one step back from Miss Machine which would also make sense with the earlier comparison to Irony is Dead Scene. also: obZen will be killer, but god only knows what it will sound like
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matt  | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
I'm going into the new Meshuggah with as little expectations as possible...they always seem to do something you really don't expect them to. That being said, I've loved everything they've done Chaosphere onward. But Chaosphere is still my favorite. DEI is good...but just doesn't do it for me as much as their stuff Chaosphere on. Tomas Haake has said in interviews that they're bringing back more of the speed and double bass of yore on obZen, but that it's also gonna be a really diverse album. We'll have to see!
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Andrew | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
I'm enjoying the new album. That is all
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JB | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
Long live Bungle. Disco Volante is a complete mind fuck. Speaking of Meshuggah, I hope their new one is good. I've been bored with their last couple. The "I" ep kicked ass though.
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SunnyvaleTrash | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
Terrible, terrible album. The tech songs pale in comparison to their previous work. The pop songs are awful. The filler/experiment/noise tracks are wastes of time. 5.0 2.0 4.0
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Blackteeth | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
Psyopus bore the shit out of me.
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Jishwa | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
And anyone who listens to Mr. Bungle should automatically kick ass!
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icenerve | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
Yeah, Calculating Infinity was good, but still...these guys are waaaay overrated.
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pattonislemmy | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
I hope I like this album. I will be getting it next month. DEP tore my face off the first time I saw them with Meshuggah in 98, and ever since then I considered them to be high watermarks in extreme music. Someone stole my Calculating infinity, so my consolation is the Miss machine which occupied a great deal of my time, and I really want to puzzle this album out too. The band is a business, and their particular brand of mayhem is singular and immediately recognizable. Is that a bad thing? Who knows, but they sure do like to tear faces off. I, for one, welcome our old jazz-shred freak overlords. Yeah Psyopus is probably even more extreme in terms of notes per second, catastrophiically jarring time signatures and neck snapping disorientation, but DEP listenend to Mr. Bungle first dammit!
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Zaibach | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
I never understood all the hype surrounding this band..
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Triptica | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
Wont be buying the next one. im done with dillinger. Moved on to psyopus...
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richard | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
this review perfectly summed up my confused feelings for this album. excellent review makes me feel at rest why it wasnt sitting as well as miss machine. def wasnt the poppy songs, i didnt mind them, in fact they were pretty cool, and "lurch" has to be one of the craziest songs ever written. but the comparison with mastodon is perfect, they only did it halfway.
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Blackteeth | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
For some reason I think I'll find myself listening to this album more than any other DEP album. Calculating Infinity is wonderful and marvelous for all the usual reasons, and I'll always appreciate its mix of technicality and bluntness. Miss Machine does the best job out of the three of gelling their more aggressive stylings with the pop, and I love its length. But, Ire Works just gets me for some reason. I think it might be Gil Sharon's drum work. He's looser than Chris Pennie, who always struck me as a bit clinical. Sharon displays more variation in his approach. If they wrote another MIss Machine I'd have been bored. If they wrote another Calculating... I'd just be fucking disappointed. But, if they ever try to top those (which they can't) I'm sure the results would be pathetic. I like that DEP allowed themselves to concentrate on a more song by song basis this time around.
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gozer | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
ive been a fan for a long time. ive seen them many times, most with the original line up when they used to cover reign in blood. but they just seem to ride high on their egos and don't really try to right good stuff anymore. not sure if i want to buy this album.
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Fist It | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
Lol!! Jimb is hilarious, please post more! Edit: Why is everone so defensive? Its just his opinion...
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Waykunbake | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
Yeah, saw em at the first Gigantour in Milwaukee. Wasn't impressed by any stretch of the imagination, so I don't think I'll bother with this. No one bothered booing them though, what with bands like cringe-inducing Dry Kill Logic and Bobaflex...Ahaha...memories...
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JB | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
I think Jimb and Lord Maggot need to create their own site called wehatemetal.com. Everything would get a shit review. It would just start to become funny after awhile. That being said, I never really could get into DEP. I don't think they suck or anything, but they just never clicked with me. They were supposed to be at the first Gigantour, but when I went to the show, they weren't there, and no one even mentioned them. Oh, well. @Fist...Yeah, but I've enjoyed more releases on Relapse this year than any other label. Mastodon's Blood Mountain still has the Relapse label on it along with the Reprise label. So, I guess Relapse still has a stake in them. @Matt...Your comment about "let's try to please the Calculating Infinity fans for a couple tracks and then write something completely different/a radio hit the next", reminded me of what Soilwork did on their new album by trying to please the Chainheart Machine fans with one old school type track. @Chellis...I gotta disagree with you about the Threads of Life comment, dude. I've enjoyed every Shadows Fall album, ToL included. I wasn't disappointed with it in the least. But if that's how ya feel, rock on.
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FIST OF THE NORRIS STAR | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
One of the most over rated bands around. The music is just plain boring and repetitive. Relapse Records needs to get back to signing better bands. First they lost their original work horses with DECEASED, INCANTATION, and MORTICIAN, then they go and lose MASTODON, UNSANE, NILE, TODAY IS THE DAY, and SOILENT GREEN all to other labels. Also not forgetting the tragedy that ended NASUM. I would'nt be surprised to see HIGH ON FIRE jumping ship anytime now. Hopefully BRUTAL TRUTH will come back with a killer new album. Relapse better get it together because garbage-sale crap like DEP (with their band photos looking like an add for The Gap) and MAN MUST DIE can't save them.
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violence_breeds | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
I like that Jimb. Garbage-sale metal. Other bands that belong in that term are Jobforacowboy, Black Dahlia Murder, 3 inches of blood, The Red Chord, Mastodon, Everytime I Die, & many other no-talent, nu-metal flunkies.
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tanknitrous | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
Garbage metal...that's funny. I would not use that term in relation to DEP or Meshuggah for that matter. I would save that term for someone like Dog Fashion Disco or something. Regardless...garbage metal. I rather like that term.
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Kibles | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
Jimb, you seem proud of your "Garage-Sale-Metal " term. Your ideas are as bad as this new album.
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Jishwa | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
Jimb is hilarious. Dont' know if he's serious, but if he is, i'd like to know what exactly he listens to, since he seems to hate EVERYthing on here.
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Irukandji | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
Jimb, you are dumber than a stump. Calculating Infinity gets more spins in my player than every other DEP record. Like others said below, the few songs on Ire Works of that breathe are great, but it's just not DEP anymore. And the tour cancelations/rescheduling were confusing as hell, so much so I don't even care about seeing them anymore. No Pennie, no Benoit, and no more cabinets set on fire and hurled into the crowd anyways...
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matt  | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
If anyone thinks that there is no organized structure to DEP, or Meshuggah, then I immediately disregard their uneducated opinion. Listen harder next time. I think the loss of Chris Pennie was really disappointing, but Gil Sharone is a more than competent replacement. Puciato relies too much on trying to sound like Trent Reznor and Mike Patton that he lacks a bit of identity as a vocalist. But I will say that he is a GOOD vocalist and I would take him any day over Dmitri. I really think this album has MORE experimentation on it, unlike what many are saying about Miss Machine. Black Bubblegum, Milk Lizard, Sick on Sunday, both When Acting As tracks, Dead as History, and Mouth of Ghosts are all pretty "out there" tracks, which is a significant portion of the album. I feel like some of these are just underdeveloped ideas or filler tracks tho (both When Actings and Sick on Sunday). The experimentation on Miss Machine was better incorporated within the songs and fit the flow of the album better. This album is really good, it seems like "OK let's try to please the Calculating Infinity fans for a couple tracks and then write something completely different/a radio hit the next." It's just not as cohesive of an album, but it's still got a lot of brilliant moments. The concluding track is probably the best experimental track they've ever done, the light jazz parts are really well executed and the song remains interesting through the entire running time. Oh, by the way, it's MAST-O-DON, not MAST-A-DON. And Blood Mountain is a masterpiece.
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Jimb | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
Why do people like this junk-metal? I call it junk-metal because that's essentially what it is, and here's how they do it. The homeless-looking losers in The Dillinger Escape Plan take any shitty guitar riff they can come up, add some abnoxious yelly-screamy vocals, and random all-over-the-place drumming, and throw it all into a garage in hopes some sucker will think they're getting a good deal and buy it. So it's basically a garage sale on CD. And what's at a garage sale? Junk! I jokingly love to call garage-sales "Garbage-sales" by adding a B to the word, and that always inspires laughs by all who hear it. Even now I'm having a good laugh at it...but that's besides the point. The point is garage isn't far from garbage, so take that into consideration when buying this so-called Garage-Sale-Metal. This *music* is simply noise with no songwriting structure. Sure the scummy-looking assholes in the band can play their instruments and their singer has the impressive ability to take steroids, but who really gives a fuck? When the music is this bad all I think about when I hear one of their songs is how untalented they all are, and how their fans must have been born with retarded ears which cannot grasp how awful this Garage-Sale-Metal is.
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Jishwa | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
And honestly, who can emulate Patton? ...Mike Patton rules.
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Fecal Facial | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
This is not a bad review, but I disagree with it. I enjoy this album more than Miss Machine. Obviously, it's no Calculating Infinity; that album was a complete mindfuck the first time I heard it. I do agree with lash about Puciato's vocals, though. The clean singing has always been hard for me to digest. The Patton/Reznor emulation is just too much at times.
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Jishwa | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
Ok, i know he wasn't comparing them, just using them relatively, but should Mastadon ever be really mentioned in the same sentence in the same way as Judas Priest, Black Sabbath especially, and Rush? I think not...I get what he was saying, but it still scratched my nerves a bit. As for DEP, haven't listened to this album yet, but i definitely want to.
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anaturaldisaster | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
I enjoyed this more than Miss Machine, largely due to the increased insanity and less songs like "Unretrified". That being said, I could see people thinking this wasn't as huge a progression as it could have been. Calculating Infinity still remains the benchmark for me though.
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tanknitrous | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
Man, how I used to worship this band! You think I'm gonna say something about going back to all out insanity ala Calculating Infinity right? Not in the least. They made that album, it resides in it's place in time and history. The influence it had on some bands has been good and bad of course. However, I feel very letdown by this album. Something this review fails to speak a lot about are the vocals of Greg Puciato. I had a hard time with them on Miss Machine, and an even harder time with them on this. He just sounds extremely forced most of the time....kinda like he's doing something that he doesn't want to do. This may come from the fact that he can be a huge dick onstage, but, I'm not sure. They just don't gel on here very well. So, yeah, I'm letdown...bigtime to say the least. And, I've tried to grow with the band...I just can't, now, where's my under the running board ep?
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Dong | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
I really think that their Calculating Infinity-esque styled songs on this album were ridiculously good and may be the craziest shit they have done thus far. 82588 is probably one of my favorite songs from them now.
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Deke' stalking MR | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
Dead-on. There's a little too much meh' going on with this album, and considering it's been three years since their last disc, it sounds rather rote at times. I don't regret buying it, but it won't be cracking my year-end list by any means. Not crap, but not enough quality either.