Album Review

Score 7.1
Written by Jon Eardley
Published on 9/10/2007
So here it is, the much talked about and highly anticipated second full length Iced Earth album with Tim “Ripper” Owens handling vocal duties, not to mention the first of at least two full-length albums that are to revolve around Jon Schaffer’s ongoing Something Wicked story. After the complete disappointment that was The Glorious Burden, the Overture of the Wicked EP helped to rekindle my interest in the band after I pretty much counted them out. The problem didn’t necessarily have anything to do with Owens coming into the fold to replace an already fabulous singer as much as it had to do with Schaffer having written the album for Barlow’s voice before his untimely departure, and it’s safe to say he really didn’t write a decent enough album regardless of who would be singing on it. Given the time to put together songs that do well to suit Owens’ style and taking his time a bit more this time around, Framing Armageddon showcases some of the strongest and most melodic heavy songs Schaffer and company have put together in years.

There are absolutely zero surprises musically, as Iced Earth has followed the same formula for nearly their entire existence. The album is filled with ripping rhythmic guitar patterns coupled with a multitude of triplets and tremolo picking, the acoustic-filled tear-jerker moments, overlying melodies that reel the listener in with ease, superbly played drums that truly complement the riffs at hand, and a vocal performance that will rival damn near anything you’ll hear in 2007. One of the main differences in comparison to the band’s previous work is the heavy vocal layering that litters the majority of the songs. Instead of the usual one or two track choruses, you get huge choir-like layers where you’ll hear the different voices go off on their own adding variety. Long time fans could certainly argue that being not much has changed up musically over the years, it’s just more of the same old shit. But believe me when I tell you, folks, Owens makes this album what it is and the guy has truly come into his own as a member of this band.

With that said, one of the main problems I have with the outing is that as strong as things start off, the album seems to lag a bit toward the end with songs that are nowhere near as attention demanding as their predecessors, not to mention there are several one or two minute filler tracks that just seem to “be there” and don’t offer much of anything. As for the good, you get your face melting shredders in “Something Wicked (Part 1)”, “Setian Massacre”, and “Ten Thousand Strong” that blister along furiously, and the catchy ballads “A Charge to Keep” and “The Clouding” that do well to change up the tempo and overall feel of the listen. Yet songs like the bland “Infiltrate and Assimilate”, the dismally executed “Retribution through the Ages” and the clumsy and completely out of place “The Domino Decree” bring up the rear and leave me wondering where the magic was that can be heard throughout the first half of the album.

At the end of the day the album is finely produced as expected, the musicianship is about as good as it gets, in particularly in the vocals, and it is a decent second full-length album with Owens at the helm. While I have a hard time believing they can pull this stuff off vocally in a live setting without the usage of sampled vocals due to the multitude of layers, I am intrigued enough to see this incarnation of the group in concert after having written them off completely after The Glorious Burden. Framing Armageddon isn’t a great album, but it’s a good one, and is a definite improvement that puts Schaffer & crew on the right path after an unwelcome and unexpected detour.



Score 9.2
Written by Dave Pirtle
Published on 9/10/2007
I’m not really much for concept albums. It’s not that I don’t like them, I just don’t get all wrapped up in the story. Sure, I can appreciate the stories behind albums like Operation: Mindcrime, Give Me Your Soul . . . Please, and Symphony of Enchanted Lands, but usually someone has to actually tell me the premise. Sadly, I’ve actually sat down with liner notes/lyric sheets and tried to follow some of these stories to little avail. Am I stupid or dense? Maybe I’m just not a “serious” listener, who puts on an album and focuses in on every detail – shit, who has time for that these days? So I never really got wrapped up in the hoopla surrounding Iced Earth’s “Something Wicked” trilogy as heard on Something Wicked This Way Comes, as the diehard fanbase rabidly waited for mastermind John Schaeffer to deliver the full-blown version of the story. To me, it’s always been just another new Iced Earth album to anticipate . . . rabidly. But oh, how the diehards have suffered, through the thematic albums Horror Show and The Glorious Burden, a covers album, early catalog remasters, numerous lineup changes and a label switch to finally get to this point. Already considered to have blasphemed with a rerecording of the original trilogy on the Overture of the Wicked EP, Schaeffer and Iced Earth bring us Framing Armageddon, the first of three albums that will tell the complete story.

First, I should address the subject of vocalist Tim “Ripper” Owens. Some think he has ruined this band, and that Schaeffer should spare no expense or humiliation to bring back previous vocalist Matt Barlow. I think those people will be eating a lot of humble pie after hearing this. Few vocalists have what it takes to pull off the demands of a concept album/rock opera. It requires a powerful voice, a wide range, the ability to do it all equally well, and the talent to bring it all together with conviction. Owens can flat out sing, shriek, squeal, howl, bellow, you name it. He also has a nice, epic tone, and as much as I like Barlow’s voice, I’m not convinced that his lower register could pull this off.

The story is spread across 19 tracks, comprised of actual songs and a number of mood-setting interludes, and everything flows together pretty smoothly; it’s easy to follow the progression of the story. It seems as though they have found the missing piece that kept The Glorious Burden from being all that it could be, as all of the elements blend together to make the album undeniably Iced Earth. The mid-tempo, multi-layered “Something Wicked (Part I)” sets the stage perfectly, with a theatrical “opening scene” vibe that soon leads into the thrashy battle scene of “Setian Massacre,” the reflective “A Charge to Keep,” and the equally thrashy memorial/rallying cry of “Ten Thousand Strong.”

The counter-offensive begins with “Order of the Rose” but I sort of lose track of the story from here. The first of “The Clouding” is acoustic and haunting before bringing the crunch back into things, though, which effectively sets the stage for the climactic sounds of “The Domino Decree” and “Framing Armageddon” – the latter track is particularly awesome. The album effectively ends with “When Stars Collide (Born is He)”, which isn’t quite a victory tune but has that type of vibe. But then, the actual closer of ethereal chants hints at what may come in part two.

Hey, I said I had trouble following the stories themselves, not the context in which they’re being told. Framing Armageddon has blown my mind. I was slow to get into it but now I can’t seem to get enough of this album. The music, the vocals, the emotions are all fucking epic, man. Unfortunately, now I found myself in the same position that the diehards did back in 1998 – rabidly awaiting the next installment in the Something Wicked saga.



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Darkangel76 | posted on 1/2008 | Reply
Took a couple of listens but thoroughly enjoying it now. Owens is awesome and I don't think Mr Barlow could get his voice that high. Well done Schaffer and co.
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Jari | posted on 12/2007 | Reply
i have a good idea. lets talk about music instead of your stupid uneducated arguing. This is a pretty good album. But im glad that Barlow is back in Iced Earth!!!
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Ash | posted on 10/2007 | Reply
As for U.S military not being world police??? Hold on while I totally piss myself laughing. Ok......Why the hell are you guys in Iraq? 9/11? There has been no proven connection between Saddam and the 9/11. So what's your business to go into other countries and sit there killing people? What if I came into your house without your permission and took your whole Metal collection and walked away. That would be illegal. And that's exactly what the war is. Illegal. Also, why do you have army bases in most countries? Tourist attractions? Unless of course you think you are the world police and do things for the greater good of humanity. Which once again brings me to the point of Zimbabwe.......Why not extend a helping hand? Another thing....You want to set up Democracy in other countries. How about actually realising the true meaning of Democracy in your own country? What's the whole deal with being able to detain anybody suspected of terrorism in Camps without being able to gain legal assistance? I am not sure what the bill is called but didn't Bush sign that without going through the right procedures that involve a Bill getting passed? And..........Those countries you mentioned, Did they want a Democracy? or a Democracy leading to a better standard of living? Living conditions are close to miserable in Iraq. And how can you force something onto someone? You are basically doing the same thing as stuffing a child on a full stomach with five Big Macs using extreme force. What's the kid going to do eventually? Yes you got it...Throw it up. Newton's law. When the Iraqis are ready for Democracy, won't they start a revolution just like Russia and India? And I pervert the truth? What is the truth? The fact that you guys started a war by singling out a religious community as realised by the great George Wanker Bush. A common enemy? You must be fucking joking. The very fact that you are fighting a war based on religion, a difference of opinion, is fucking laughable. This is the 21st century, not the crusades. Isn't that what Democracy is all about? Respecting different opinions? Fuck. You are wary of them converting us. Aren't you wary of you converting them to a different mindset? That's fucking hypocritical at its best. As a politcal scientist, as you say you are, you should be ashamed of yourself for actually saying something like that. And its all over the Middle East??????? What the fuck are you talking about??????!!!!!!!!! . Sure every country in the middle east has a fraction of the population leaning towards extreme views. Just like how every state in the U.S. has a fraction of organised crime/crime of some sort. Do I single every one in the different state to be thieving rapists? No. Its also as bad as me calling one out of every two Americans an absolute fucking idiot for putting an arsewipe who can't even speak proper fucking English (Bush's grammar has been the butt of many jokes) in power, not once by twice. But you don't get me saying that. For a guy who is studying a P.H.D you seem to lack the fundamental criteria of higher education study which is to critically analyse a situation. Have you actually lived in the Middle East? Have you actually interacted with Arabs other than in the heat of the battle? I have lived in Kuwait for a number of years. I did not get my head beheaded or executed in public did I? In fact, I lived the most average and mundane life. Mr. Armstrong (May he rest in peace) was killed by a bunch of fuckwad extremists. And, please don’t get the idea that I condone that behaviour. Why don’t you post some videos of people getting killed in America? Are you telling me it doesn’t happen there? Does killing of Americans only happen in the Middle East? No Metal? Fuck off! The Virgin Megastore in Kuwait has a separate Metal/Hard Rock section where you can buy C.D’s. Dubai has many big names of metal performing in their city including Machine Head and In Flames. And you say I pervert the truth. P.S. “(bullshit, you don't support what I do, you don't support me so don't lie about it)” The truth is that the American public supports the war by paying taxes. Whether they like the war or not, they still have to foot the ridiculous bill of the war. The Government can raise revenue by obtaining taxes or printing more money in the reserve bank which is called seigniorage. But, printing more money leads to inflation. And you guys don’t suffer from high inflation. So, most of the revenue is raised through taxes, which the public have to pay. So quit the whole “I don’t need your shit” attitude.
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Irukandji | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
What do you mean "save it for the news"? I won't argue the reason's for being there, though they are more than enough reason regardless what the hell people think. So we need to "move on" from that because we are there. Newsweek followed my buddy in the 172nd Airborne, a Stryker unit, for a month in Mosul to report their experience, and what they accomplished. The article turned out to be about a few disgruntled and stressed soldiers who had anxiety being away from home. Nothing about what the unit did, nothing about finding the largest weapons cache to date, nothing about the local support and thanks. And Mosul was a suck ass place before the 172nd arrived. The news does not listen, they lie. Every week this crap happens. Instead, it's about a dozen soldiers that died. Bring the troops home. BULLSHIT and disgrace to sway public opinion. The Middle East propaganda news is as bad as ours, too. I've kicked soldiers out of my platoon for not being combat effective mentally. It gets people killed and harms the mission. Sure it sucks being there and I want my guys and girls home. But we have a job to do, and a larger war looming. And this is where Metalreivew.com viewers come in! We are entering a struggle for the ages with a showdown against rampant Islamic Extremis. The same religious, fascist, ultra-right wing image YOU may think we and our government are is actually the face of this terror threat. And I don't get the "Bush loving", fascist gov. shit you idiots think we are. Personnaly, as a consevative, I hate big government and it's involvment in peoples lives. I am all about reducing it, and I def. do not agree with everything coming out of Washington. Frankly, they need to stay the hell out of our way. But we can argue policy 'till we're blue in the face. Why can we not unite on a common enemy that threatens our destruction? It's all over the Middle East, it's real, and it will harm the world. Do you not understand and believe that? And Iraq is a HUGE part of it. Establishing democracy in a Muslim country will aid in a cure for the age old repression and right wing extremism that dominates those countries. The younger crowd wants it to end too. Students are jailed in Iran for political cartoons, gays are executed, etc. etc. Do you not want us to destroy this threat before it grows and threatens not only Israel and the US, but the rest of the world? They believe they can kill 1/3 of the worlds population by devine right. And people think Catholics are bad?!? Imagine this Islamic oppression, and on top of that, NO METAL!!!! How the fuck can you stand for that? They hate free society, they hate western culture, and they want to convert everyone. And I know it's virtually just THOSE governments and terror organizations. The public is different, except for the part that is fed propaganda worse than anyone thinks Foxnews or CNN does. It's utterly sick. And the democrats and liberals in this country will do nothing but bow to this. They have proven that. They use "Army Ranger Jesse Mc whatever" as a source, who claims he saw fellow troops hang Muslims in mosques or committed other attrocities. And people here believe this. Even after this guy was jailed for a few months and is on probation for years for lieing about being a Ranger and having a purple heart. He washed out of basic training after 44 days. So here's MY propaganda. Watch this video or other ones like it off google or whatever, and picture yourself, a metal fan, in the place of Mr. Armstrong. Because that will happen. http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/VIDEO-BEHEADING-Eugene-Armstrong.WMV
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Irukandji | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
@ Ash: First, on the opening of 10,000 Strong, probably the best and most metal moment on the album. There's never been anything bad about Iced Earth and this album either, I just really hope they step it up a few notches on Part 2. Thanks for providing the first intelligent rebuttle so far. Yes, I was hypocritical at the bottom of the last lash; it was a punch to the face for the comment that I was not a political scientist and will not get far in life. That was like telling a doctor he/she is not a doctor. The dude is dead wrong in his assumptions about my personal life, and I'd expect anyone to respond the same way. To try to simplify this: the US Military is not the world's police. Why doesn't the UN deal with Mugagbe and Zimbabwe's inflation, or other world issues? They won't because the UN IS primarily a failed, corrupt organization that provides nothing more than a forum for world dictators and despots. The rest of the world needs to get it's ass in gear instead of supporting these regimes and investing in junk science like global warming, and that's not to say we are perfect and don't have our own issues. It's not that I feel high and mighty. I feel angered at responses from the non-fact, emotional, anti-war, "Bush is the problem", anti-military "we support the troops but not the war" crowd (bullshit, you don't support what I do, you don't support me so don't lie about it). They don't solve anything. You don't agree with the war or whatever the military does? FINE. But DO NOT lie, pervert, and distort the truth about it with the goal to sabotage our efforts. It's like the brainwashing that goes on in a lot of other world countries. IT really does affect our effort, by lieing to change public opinion. When we come home it's as if they are talking about Star Wars on the news instead of the Middle East. As far as our goals? They are being met very well. Think about this: we battled insurgent military in Germany until 1953, and in the Pacific nearly up to the Vietnam War. This is a long, long war, and it's a slow process establishing democracy. But why should we? So many countries and people want it and capitalism. Myranmar (Burma), Iraq, Iran, East China, Tibet, and I could go on... Why should that be denied? And in a country that has never had that freedom, they don't fully appreciate it until they experience it. It's hard to take effect when there's corrupt government, and Iran fucking up everything else there... Our success is evident, if you look for it and not listen to popular news. Public opinion in Iraq is high. But this is far from over.
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Ash | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
This is the worst lash series ever. Iru...seriously nobody cares. You said you wouldn't list your accomplishments. Yet you give half a paragraph of a flaming resume. Hope you feel great now. I laugh at the fact that you think what you are doing in Iraq is dead on correct. If you feel so high and mighty and feel like really helping everyone, why doesn't Bush or any of his fucktarded administration bother getting rid of Robert Mugagbe and maybe try to get rid of the ridiculous inflation rates prevailing in Zimbabwe and really help as in the actual meaning on the word, and not the mass killings that goes on in Iraq that the administration proclaims as help. One question.....Since you do have first hand experience.........How close are you really to the finishing the starting goals you guys set for Iraq? And please don't give me justifications for why you guys are there.........Save that for the news.....I am giving you a chance to make your point. As for the album.......The most serious part of this lash. I don't know. I can't really make up my mind on it. I don't think I have a thing for concept albums. Still, Jon's riffing is always awesome to hear. How awesome is the first yell on 10,000 strong. Now that is a ripper.
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Irukandji | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
I've shown this lash to a large number of folks of all creeds, political leanings, colors, and musical tastes. The consensous is that most of the crowd here does not know what they are talking about in responding to me. We all wonder where you guys are getting educated, getting news, and what you do for a living (although I can make a few guesses). After listening to this album for a couple weeks, I do realize that Schaffer is in a bit of a riff rutt. There's a musical theme he's shooting for, which is evident in the middle tracks, but after breaking a few of the songs down, there are too many riffs that are centralized and are dangerously close to a facsimile of past riffs and licks. I hope this changes on the next record (as well as the pace). Suggestion? Change tuning. Hey, where the fuck are the Black Dahlia Murder, Arch Enemy, Today is the Day, BTBAM, and Dethklok reviews? Shit, we need something else to bitch about.
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Irukandji | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
@ the idiot below this lash: You have absolutely ZERO knowledge of the military or it's personel. Stop making stupid factless comments about us not being free thinking. You are so far from the truth. You sound like our votes should not even count, which makes you a fucking fascist. You are just as ignorant and wrong as you think I am. I have accomplished more in my short life than most people will in theirs. I won't go as far as to list my resume of accomplishments and triumphs in life, but there is no shortage there, pal. I do listen to other opinions, I do analyze them, I do let them speak. I get my news from all sorts of outlets, regardless of plitical standing or agenda. But I always come back to a couple things: common sense (good sense), logic, and cold hard facts. I get that from worldly experience, higher education, and seeing what is in front of me. In this case, in the matter of what we are doing in Iraq and the rest of the middle east, is dead on correct. It's not a matter of fucking opinion, it's fact. Most people hear have not seen it, and never will. Howwever, the facts are out there if you actually are not lazy enough to go look for them. What is the opinion of an overwhelming majority of us over there, whose opinions are more valid because they are more relevent then anyone elses? That we are doing well, doing what's right, and eager to go back. That is all based on fact. And those of us that were expecting something like 9/11 to happen will be shaking our heads once it happens again, somewhere in the word, and to a greater degree. Then we will be over there cleaning up the mess. Dude, nice cute line calling me "soldier boy". How old are you? What have you done with your life? You don't understand the depth of your ignorance and stupidity labeling all of us Bush bots, fascists, cross burners, or whatever other name calling went on in the earlier lashes. Frankly, I hate a majority of the things Bush has done while in office. He is extremely moderate and has failed to uphold conservative principles. None of which are racist, fascist, etc. Wrong again are you? Yes. And since you brought it up: besides an officer, I have a masters in Poli Sci from a fairly expensive university, am working on a Phd, work as an independant defense contractor, data/intel analyst, etc... and paid off over 100K in student loans only a few years out of college, due to diligent and prudent investing. Get the idea? You are barking up the wrong tree, and are as wrong as a Rodney King beating. I think you are just a military basher who misinterprets a soldier's mind with being well disciplined, part of a team, and able to take orders (which do come into question at times). You are right, I am not paid to think. I am FREE to think and voice my opinion, even while in uniform. But you don't understand that because you know nothing of discipline, professionalism, honor, and doing what is right. You are a miss-firing pair of neurons with one synapse. So come join me in Iraq! You won't, because you are a bigger sheep than you think I am. I truly pitty you. And like I said, I'm willing to just discuss, metal, but as long as you folks keep firing away, I have the counter-battery up and running...
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haha I meant board | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
rather than "bored" Talk about a Freudian slip
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Little soldier boy is upset... | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
because big daddy goverment isnt censoring the millions of Americans who dont agree with his right wing militaristic viewpoint. Irukandji just shit all over Lee for expressing his opinion and has made it clear that he will continue to do so and I am sorry if you find "conformity" to be a big word but thats your education , not mine. This guy, as we all do, has every right to have his opinions and voice them as well its just a sad thing that he feels so unheard that he has to come onto a board or whatever you want to call this that is dedicated to MUSIC and slam people for disagreeing with him Irukandji: You wont get very far in life if you refuse to see the possibilty of validity in any ones opinion but your own because while it may upset you that is one of the cheif principals our nation was founded upon. Perhaps you should keep your political discussions among your soldiers where you are much less likely to be questioned because and this one will really get to you...you are in fact one of the LEAST free thinking masses of people in the world whether you think that is true or not doesnt matter, you are not paid or trained to think about such matters. Being polite is pointless because you have been very rude to every one on this bored who had disagreed with you up to this point so here is the fact of the matter soldier boy: Your a government thug not a political scientist, so its high time to THINK (which apparently you CAN do very freely?) about leaving the politics to those who understand how to appreciate more than one side of things and let the good readers of MetalReview continue to discuss METAL! No ones opinion is irrelevant, Lee, Bob , and myself have as much right to say what we beleive as anyone does perhaps Irukandji will realize that when he grows up a bit or when he chooses to venture outside of his little Red White And Bush bubble.
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Irukandji | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
Lee: Unless you were a Seal, SeaBee, or pararescue for the Navy, you're opinion is as irrelevent as every other dick on this lash who "doesn't support the war". Look folks, I also don't care if you agree with what we are doing in the Middle East. The fact is, YOUR facts and reasons are jacked up, but it doesn't affect me or my ability to do my job. It's fine to oppose or question. But again: THE LEVEL OF DECIET AND LIES IN THE MEDIA AND GOVERNMENT ABOUT OUR OPERATIONS IS ON THE LEVEL OF TREASON. So Lee, if you've never ran a route clearence mission, fought as infantry or dismounted armor, manned check points, or hunt IED's, you don't have a point to stand on. I appreciate your service as a Naval Soldier, but you are failing to see why we are fighting. You see what CNN sees, what the NY TImes sees, or whateer you read or watch. Bobs "questions" are borderline ignorant stupidity and that does not keep anything from running amok. MY soldiers and I are not fighting a war of crap. You should be ashamed for thinking that and being so ignorant and fooled. And Lee, oil is important. It always has been. It's what we and the world lives on. We are preventing a world crisis by not letting fall into the wrong hands. Most of our oil comes from Canada, and the rest SHOULD come from our own drilling, IMO. But we still need to protect and preserve what's in the middle east, and not let a fascist leader control it (that even applies to some of our allies there, too). Iced Earth is a great band: this is not about conformity. You sound like a teenager trying to use big words that fall under "meaningless and Irrelevent rantings" in this discussion. You are pretty pig headed telling me to go listen to country, when there's a lot of conformity in Metal (or any music). You idiots think all of us in the military are robots... it's utterly retarded. We are a mass of some of the most free thinking, educated, and disciplined people on the planet, not a group of corporate/government/ robots. Anyways, I tried to move this lash to the forums, but as long as people keep responding, so will I.
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Lee | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
I was in the Navy for the first Gulf War. That one at least had some purpose to it, whether it was about oil or not at least we stopped one country from invading another Sovereign nation. This one now is just crap and has gone on far too long. Peace to the people over there but you shouldn't be there. This country needs people like bob to question it and not let it run amok. That is part of what makes it a great country. Honestly, peace to the people over there doing their job, but I don't see how anyone in their right mind can support this "war" anymore or any further wars whether you are active military or not.
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Iced Earth is a great band... | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
Respect to Cretaceous Bob on this one and any one else who opposses conformity while promoting free thought and individualism What ever happened to saying "Hey man that guy digs metal so he must not be all bad?" Oh yeah, when pricks come on a website dedictated to MUSIC and try to deny everyone else of their RIGHT to an opinion, heavy metal and underground music used to be about mutual respect among fans and enthusiasts who whether conservative or liberal, radical or apolitical could say "hey we are different from mainstream society but its good to know there are others like me out there" If you want music thats about conformity and sticking by whatever your government tells you maybe you should stick to alot of the country thats out there and I dont mean outlaw country like Cash and Hank III So whatd you say, this is "Metal Review" after all so drop the politics and stick to the music?
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Irukandji | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
@ "Uncle Sam": apparently I have to break this down Barney the Dinosaur style so even people like YOU can understand. Your second paragraph is correct. What you fail to see or know is the wider threat Iran is involved with. There's plenty of other dangerous countries and oppressed people that need help. Iran is by far the biggest problem NOW. I am getting tired of catching and killing Iranian soldiers and militants while I'm running missions in Iraq with my platoon, without being in a full scale war with Iran (though, it's coming). I don't just "sissy battle" with words; I do it with rank, an M4, and a platoon. I KNOW METAL IS ALIVE WORLDWIDE. I recently saw Chthonic, from Asia (Taiwan?) I know these bands are huge, elsewhere, even bigger sometimes. I've been to shows in Japan, Wacken, London, Italy, Brazil, etc. Most of us Americans are not untraveled, uncultured, small minded, ignorant, country bumpkins like so many of you think. PS: Dethklok's Dethalbum owns this disc. haha...
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Irukandji: | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
@ the Great Pretentious Cocksucker Bob: You've got it completely backwards. Questioning military campaigns is a good and correct thing to do. However, the level of "questioning" done now a days by dicks like you and the rest of the liberals in this country/politics is at the level of treason. It has greatfully hurt our success, slanted public opinion, and endangered not only the US, but the rest of the free world. This is fact, not opinion or spin. How can I say this? The same reason I can respond to your name calling: that I'm the asshole who should see families of dead soldiers, that "I" am ungratefull, or should bring back Nazi Germany. I am an Officer in the United States Army, Combat Engineer, and have shed plenty of blood for this country. And I will continuously do it even for idiots like you, to preserve what this country is, to do what is right, and protect my fellow soldiers. As a platoon leader commanding route clearence missions, I know plenty about sacrifice, being grateful, and DEFEATING FACISM. And what have you ever done? Don't call me ungratefull; you don't know anything of it, or anything else worthwhile about the military to make an intelligent comment. I speak to families of dead soldiers freaquently, as many of them are friends of mine, and some are family, who would all piss on your carcass for such disgracefull commentary. But even I would step in and not allow that; you do have the rght to your warped opinion. You have fallen into the crowd of sheep who have been decieved into oppossing the war effort against terror. You know nothing. Brign back Nazi Germany? If you want the President of Iran to bring about the near end of the world. I can't understand how you don't see the level of ignorance, stupidity, disgrace, and shallow thought you've presented. You haven't been to the middle east, fight in a war, live amongst the people there, understand the culture, and have experienced the enemy, so you have no ground to stand on. You seem fairly intellectual, so I'd expect better thinking. Direct your bullshit towards fascists/terrorists like Ahmadinejad, not people like myself who serve honorably in the military. I ask for no thanks, special treatment, etc. But I demand respect, at least by way of not bashing troops.
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Uncle Sam | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
Even I admit that the United States of America isn't the only place on Earth where you can enjoy the music you want to and discuss as you wish the politics of your own country and battle with words like sissy's to prove your own point with government, music or anything else. Iran, even though it's all over the news, Irukandji, is but a small fraction of this planet - yes, a few countries and provinces limit the "freedom" of its' people. Freedom is in many places though...the USA isn't the sole provider of such things as the ignorant seem to think. You think Iced Earth is only tolerable in North America? Then you have been fooled and are blind. If the band relied on the support from American fans alone, they would be just another band playing part-time music while struggling to get a day off to play an early show at a local venue, let alone tour the world and delve into side projects, interviews, etc.....
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Irukandji | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
@ the SHITBAG CUNT below this post: go into your kitchen, or probably your Mom's kitchen, take a knife out preferably a steak knife, and jam it into your neck giving it a couple upward twists toward your spine. You are as fucking ignorant about conservatives (crossburning? only if you are nailed to it, fuckhead) as you think our rhetoric is. And get this, assholes: the majority of citizens in this country ARE conservative, from the rich to the poor, all the way back to the founding citizens of this nation. You are privileged to not live in a country like Iran (assuming most people on this site are not in Iran) where you would be executed if you acted like liberals do in this country. You are priviledged to live somewhere where you can listen to bands like Iced Earth, carry on arguements about this kind of shit, and have some of us risk our lives to preserve that. If you think that is "conservative", "ignorant", or "fascist", you are in denial and have no grip on reality what so ever. Which I expect from the next few responses.
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Slayor For Mayor and Metallman | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
have officially written two of the most ignorant lashes I have ever read on this site, please leave your conservative rhetoric for the crossburnings and stick to discussing metal!
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Assassin272 | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
OK....yes, Barlow was great.....but that does not change Iced Earth....this album lived up to my every expectation
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The Great Cretaceous Bob | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
That was valuable input.
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JB | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
yeah hilarious
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The Great Cretaceous Bob | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
*Owens. That's a pretty fucking funny typo though.
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The Great Cretaceous Bob | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
It might be ridiculously overkill, but yeah. Barlow kicks the crap out of Owns.
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EthR | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
I'll stick to Barlow Iced Earth kthxbye
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The Great Cretaceous Bob | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
Wow. Just fucking wow. People have been decrying American imperialism long, long before the internet. This just in, according the multitude of morons who can do little else than promote aggression as if it were proof of their arguments: freedom is retarded, the military-industrial complex is god, and American foreign policy couldn't possibly have anything wrong with it. Awesome. Way to piss on this country. You guys are great.
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Mettalmann | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
@ THE GREAT WHATEVER the hell Bob, I just retired afer 20 years of service with the Army, and it is because of punks like you I hope the fucking draft comes back. You are a product of internet driven ideology. Bring back the draft to show what kind of man you are.....or is that woman? I think LRUKANDJI and SLAYOR FOR MAYOR said it best so I'll rely on their posts for the rest of my feelings. All hail Iced Earth, this is one of the best if not the best metal bands today!!!
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Sexy | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
I liked this album. It's a massive improvement ove The Glourious Burden. Owen's vocals were amazing.
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Damnit | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
Just picked this one up and have been blasting it all day. Absolutely incredible. One of the things that impresses me so much about this is Schaffer's ability to build up one hell of an atmosphere. I love concept albums and i would definately say that this one has one of the densest atmospheres i've ever heard. Production is as slick as cum on a gold tooth, the performances are a tight as you could possibly get and Ripper does one hell of a job. I've been an IE fan for years now and would definately put this one up at the top with Horror Show and Burnt Offerings. 6,6,6
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The Great Cretaceous Bob | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
I didn't say it was hilarious, you stupid shit, I said it was hilarious that you hate it. Protesting military campaigns is an essential American freedom. If civilians don't get that freedom, every dead soldier died in vain. Tell that to the families of dead soldiers, asshole. You're a fucking idiot if American foreign policy is unquestionable in your eyes. Every freedom anyone has died to give you is being pissed away, you ungrateful fuck. If you want unquestioning, unhindered military campaigns, you can go have fun bringing back Nazi germany.
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Irukandji | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
@ ilovenile: the mid tempo album is a build for the next one (the calm before the storm). That's the idea and logical progression. Now, if I'm not wrong, the next album should pick up more intensity and speed asuming the story does. But again, who knows. I agree I would have enjoyed a more agressive album with a sense of urgency, but that doesn't diminish how good this one is. @ TGC Bob: You think it's hilarious to attempt to ruin military campaigns? Tell that to the families of dead soldiers, asshole. What a worthless statement. You civilians take too much for granted. Anyone else that's got dumbass or incitelful comments about war, politics, etc, lets discuss it in the forums, because I'm tired of ranting on album lash pages. Or better yet: either sign up to serve or shut the fuck up.
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SOze | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
Jeez...let`s get on topic here eh? I thought this album was superb, far better than the previous couple of disappointments. It`s probably the best thing they`ve done since Burnt Offerings. Ripper is great on it IMO.
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ilovenile | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
Too much hype for such a mid-tempo album,i wasn't expecting a second Night Of The Stormrider or Burnt Offerings but at least something faster.So many ballads and mid-tempo songs make it boring. The solos are out of place because they have a rock feeling which has nothing to do with the epic atmosphere and the concept and MATT BARLOW....PLEASE COME BACK
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The Great Cretaceous Bob | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
Dude, you've gotten way the fuck out of touch with what our government is supposed to be. One of the major points of the American government was that it PROTECTED unalienable rights, rather than ALLOW its citizens rights. Big fucking difference, and ALLOWING citizens rights was why this country was founded: to instead PROTECT UNALIENABLE RIGHTS OF MAN. You're a fucking idiot who says he loves this country, but you're way the fuck out of touch with the ideologies that this country was founded on. This country exists BECAUSE we refused to accept what a country/government deems as law. This country is celebrated because our forefathers did the illogical and insane. Had you been alive 230 years ago, I would have been the ragtag army shooting at your ass in the hopes to one day make a country where the citizens WERE the government, rather than the government running the citizens' lives. I love the shit out of this country. There is nothing I've read about more than the founding of this country. I think that ought to mean something when I say what you're saying goes against every fucking principle that created this country.
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Slayer for Mayor | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
@ The Great Cretaceous Bob By living in this country, you have pledged your allegience to it. The land that you live on is not your land. You pay to call it so, but you are still subject to the rules of the government that presides over your property. I'm 40 years old, and I still live with my parents. I am subject to their rules because I'm living under their roof. Would I act against them? Would it be acceptable for me to act against them? Of course I wouldn't, and of course it would not be acceptable, because it's their house. I could speak out against them, but outright refusing to abide by their rules would be treasonous. Acting in self-defense is one thing. Leaving a country before acting against it is another. Refusing to accept what a country/government deems as law while living under its roof is illogical and insane. You should respect allegience to a geographical location if you garner your resources from it and live due to the freedoms that it allows. While I think that your perspective is mostly flawed, I do, however, agree with your assessment of protesting military action (especially our current ones). Since this country's first foray into battle, the powers that be have had their detractors. It's not only expected, but it shows that the people of this country have a counscious and a high level of compassion. Seeing this as ruin to our country is completely and utterly ridiculous. Finally, Iced Earth is the shit!
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yas666eer | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
this album owns...!!! brilliant vocals, guitar duties.. etc...
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The Great Cretaceous Bob | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
I've always found the existence of treason as a crime in the US to be one of its major downfalls. Its absurd and arrogant for a country whose very existence is due to ungrateful, whiny traitors to continue to criminalize treason. I have and will respect no allegiance to any geographical location. As a man, I swear my allegiance to myself and my fellow man. If any country takes action against me or others which is grievous enough, I will take my own small actions against that country, be it considered treasonous or no. By the way, the idea that people speaking out against the military campaigns of the US would ruin the country is fucking hilarious.
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Travis | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
I'm listening to the new Iced Earth and really don't know where the rave reviews are coming from. First of all, Ripper Owens got exposed on this CD IMO. The man can scream, but when it comes time to quiet put some emotion and actually *sing* it falls way short. And he gets his voice protected with layered vocals everywhere on this album. The riffs are ok, but the bass is lacking, the leads are few and far between and the mix is all vocals and rhythm guitar. As for the lyrics...it's just hard to pump your fist and sing along to stuff like "Rise of Setian Evocation/ and theOrder thrives/ So the Day arrives of his birth/" And am I only one who thinks the cover/ booklet artwork is downright mediocre? Meh. 2/6
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Metalrob | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
This cd/album is amazing!! Tim "Ripper" Owens is awesome, Jon has outdone himself on this cd. The production is great, the songwirting is very good. This cd is the most Progressive the band has ever done..in other words Iced Earth has matured all around. I give this cd 5.5 out of 6!
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JB | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
@Irukandi Hey, dude, face it, there are a lot of people out there who's only battle is to lash out at other people on this site. And then there are people like you who have actually been there and seen the real shit. Sad, ain't it? As far as the album goes, I'll probably pass. I have Alive in Athens and Horror Show. I just think that's all the Iced Earth I need. But I don't fault anyone for checking it out. \w/ \w/
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Irukandji | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
So back to this album. I really enjoyed the first Demons and Wizards album, especially the perfect vocal harmonies. It was great to hear Owens capture the same harmonies on some of the tracks here. In my mind he's solidly a member of this bands sound, and there is no desire to hear any other vocalist with this band. This band is still rock solid and will be 'till their careers' end. And for the record, the memorabilia shop in Indiana is pretty cool, esp. if you're a history buff. Also, unlike a lash or two below stated, this album picks up more towards the end and has much more demanding and powerful songs, contrasting most long concept albums sputtering to a halt 2/3's through. Great stuff.
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Irukandji | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
Matt, kiss my ass. You are another one of these idiots who doesn't pay attention to details. Nothing I said comes off the Fox News ticker; I don't watch the news. I listen to it. What I say comes from personal experience as a well traveled, well educated man and platoon leader in the US Army. I am passionate about my job and hate people who speak against us, attempt to undermine our success, and ruin this country. If you don't think people like Kucinich don't do this, then you are as worthless a person as he is. I will say what I want when the fuck I want, just like the rest of you. Don't like it? Skip that part of the lash.
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Matt  | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
The fact that Irukandji had to write a 500-word essay to clarify a specious analogy confirms his own assessment that his joke was "dumb." There is really no legitimate reason why this site should serve as a soapbox for the exhaustive ranting of idealogues, much less quotations from the Fox News ticker, and a simple comparison to Benedict Arnold (or someone for whom calling a "traitor" is equally devoid of conclusory and sophomoric political statements) would have served the purpose of discussing the MUSIC and saved the rest of us from a completely irrelevant (and, in my opinion, absurd) polemic on Kucinich's politics and US foreign policy.
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Irukandji | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
@Ursurper: let me break it down "Barney style" so even YOU can understand. You need to learn to laugh and get your facts straight. First off, it was a dumb political joke. You obviously do not get it. Dennis Kucinich is a jackass congressman from Ohio who is so far from reality as a liberal that he does not represent any political party in the US, even democrats and the like. He is treasonous to my nation by TRAVELING to Syria and Lebanon to accuse the US of illegal occupation and criminal activity. Furthermore, he decided not to "bless" our military opperations in Iraq by not visiting the troops, as if any of us there give a shit about this nut job. The guy is a limp dick, a traitor to the nation, and a traitor to me as a member of the military. It's one thing to disagree and argue about what we are doing in the Middle East, but to meet with these leaders who are openly supporting and funding terrorist groups in the region is complete and utter treason. He, and I mean Kucinich, should go back to the aforementioned countries. My comments to "Jimb" were entirely ment as a joke, calling him a traitor to metal as Kucinich is a traitor to the US. You get all of that? Maybe if I called him Benedict Arnold you would have understood. But frankly, I think you are more wrapped around the ass about this website and it's reviews than my goofy political satire. You don't understand a thing about propaganda either, as people like Kucinich are full of it. You say I'm a fool? Tell that to the families of Kurdish children we found chopped into bits, genitals and all, by terrorist insurgents who possessed Syrian IDs and were found to be legitimate citizens of Syria, trained in Iran. The only propaganda is the garbage the "leadership" of these countries is feeding to the masses and the assholes in this country's media, politics, and schools who support this garbage. And it has clearly worked on you, jackass. "cheers".
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The Great Cretaceous Bob | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
...What's with the Horror Show bashing? Horror Show kicks the living fuck out of TGB.
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Ursurper | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
These two reviews prove what I habe been thinking for a long time now: Metalreview is going down. After hyping every shitty so called Metal-Core band and after that totally focussing on boring doom releases it seems to be on the time to praise the new ICED EARTH. It is really sad. Time ago I trusted you and bought albums just because you rated the as good. And you were right at thst time. Sadly, thats over now.... Cheers
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Ursurper | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
@ Irukandji: U' re pretty cool calling somebody an Islamofacist supporting cocksucker and assuming the persons from Syria. The propaganda machine worked nice on u, I see. Fool.... The album is shit, nothing more nothing less. The Glorious Burden was not about wars, it was about the burden of past albums that lay on ICED EARTH. These two reviews prove what I habe been thinking for a long time now: Metalreview is going down. After hyping every shitty so called Metal-Core band and after that totally focussing on boring doom releases it seems to be on the time to praise the new ICED EARTH. It is really sad. Time ago I trusted you and bought albums just because you rated the as good. And you were right at thst time. Sadly, thats over now.... Cheers
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Irukandji | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
@ Jimb: you are a shit bag, plain and simple. And treasonous to all of metal. You are by far the Dennis Kucinich of this site. In fact, ARE you that nut job? Go back to Syria you Islamofacist supporting cocksucker.
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Irukandji | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
Picked this up today, before reading these reviews, and thoroughly enjoyed it. I've been an Iced Earth fan for a long time but have been pretty critical of some of the stuff they've released. It's never bad, but could be and should be a lot better. This album puts them back in a focused direction. They never completely dissapoint; Horror Show had some of Scaffer's career best riff work; TGB was a great concept but feel short in song strength and cohesion. FA is a much stronger release and even with the moody interludes holds together well for the entire disc. Good reviews.
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George | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
This is to jimb this album ios great just like everything iced earth releases, great freaking music if you dont like it cool just stop being a little bitch about it
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Luke | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
Shut up and listen to the album first. Ill admit I was not a huge fan of TGB or Horror Show, but still find redeeming qualities. This album kicks ass. Owens is awesome and this album shows off his capabilities. I am curious to see him and Schaffer do Dantes Inferno live though. Vocal wise.
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Bob | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
i'm going to get this album just because of the sheer awesomeness of the first half of IE's career, but if TGB and Horror Show are any indication, I'm about to be mightily disappointed.
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Sculpy | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
Glorious Burden convinced me never to listen to Schaffer again. What a plonker.
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greigoroth | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkJW5ZrAB20 Regardless of what you think of Owens he hits all of his notes except for one low tone in the chorus that is flat, but hey, when he belts it out it's spot on.
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Razorhog | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
Where can I read the story behind this concept album?
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AXE | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
I would have gone with Tweedlecompletelyfuckingretarded. but thats just me
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NZ Metalhead | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
At least when Jimb expresses his distaste, he does it in an amusing fashion. "Fart Ripper" Hahah I'd love to see somebody call him that.
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The Metal Mallet | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
It seems that Jimb just shits over everything nowadays. I've just found that quite a few of the things he shits over are albums I found I enjoyed so I just take it as a second (or third in this case) recommendation to check this album out. I must admit, you've been right a few times Jimb, but often our tastes seem to differ quite frequently. I've also noticed that when you actually like something, it is a good album as well, so whatever. Perhaps the shitting on certain CDs is just a way to save money. I should perhaps adopt that approach :P Anyways, the EP released this year has convinced me to try this CD out, so that's what I intend to do. Hopefully it will be worth it.
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NZ_Metalhead | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
Did Jimb just call Nile shitty?
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brandonmetal | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
i've had it with the endless whining about people wanting barlow back and that ripper sucks ALL over the freakin internet... waa waa waaa- get over it. it's a MOOT POINT. all that matters is the quality of the album at hand, and i'm going to guess it rocks- will probably get this asap.
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Dave w/ MR | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
Damnit, Jimb, neither of us are Dopey . . . he's Tweedledee and I'm Tweedledum. Get it right next time, boy.
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Jimb | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
As soon as I saw this album was reviewed I knew when I clicked on it I would see good reviews. I just had this shitty feeling that I would be annoyed when I clicked on this, and sure enough I see two dopes (Dave slightly more dopey than Jon) who had great and/or good things to say about this stupid album. Have you jerkoffs ever heard any other Iced Earth albums? You have? Good...then you'll notice how what you hear on this album are recycled riffs and song arragements from past releases. Plus it's a goddamn concept album...about friggin' walking Mummies...written by that middle-aged outspoken doofus Schaffer. Ooooh what a gripping tale that must be! If you guys are impressed with that nonsense (and are above the age of 12) then you should go to Schaffer's fucking retarded Civil War memorabilia store he opened and go play with his musket. Plus I'd also like to mention that Tim "fart-ripper" Owens is STILL completely wrong for this band, regardless of whether or not he can sing. To me it's like asking that fag King Diamond to sing all high pitched and gay on some shitty brutal burpy Nile album. It just doesn't work, and it would annoy people.
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George | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
hell yeah im getting this album tomorow
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Achilles  | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
Any solos this time around? I feel the band has suffered greaty in this department since the departure of Randall Shawver. His tastefull licks providied a nice foil to Jon's often overindulgent rythm playing.
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yeah!! | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
First Lashhhhhhh biiiiitchhhhhezzzzz!!!!