Album Review

Score 8.3
Written by Ramar Pittance
Published on 11/7/2006
When Arsis released A Celebration of Guilt in 2004, I bit so hard I nearly shattered every tooth in my mouth and liquefied my gums. With melodeath a long dead horse still receiving fresh boots about the nose and groin by hordes of cut-rate Gothenberg never-weres, it was exhilarating to hear a band with such a blistering and forward reaching approach on the style. But with time and repeated listens, Arsis slowly began to fall from my better graces. Whether it was my overblown initial reaction, or my opinion that with each listen A Celebration of Guilt reveled itself to be something of a one-trick pony, the fact is I dropped Arsis about as quickly as I picked them up. Diving back into the Arsis catalog, a bit more carefully than before, I hear a more streamlined, focused, and powerful heavy metal band that has sacrificed some of their breakneck speed and showmanship in favor of more memorable and enduring songs.

The first two tracks on United in Regret stand in stark contrast to a majority of the material found on ACoG, and offer two separate glimpses into the band’s new direction. Opener, “Oh, the Humanity” is as heavy as anything as the band as ever written, but far simpler. Gone is the fret scouring attack of a song like the arpeggio stacked “Face of My Innocence,” and in its place is a more methodical builder that unveils itself in a series of less complex, but more complimentary and distinct riffs. Track two is the slothlike by Arsis standards, “...And the Blind One Came”, which slowly gathers momentum and heft before unleashing a bizarre, and recognizably Arsis-styled series of riffs. This track may have a hard time winning over those still salivating over the band’s typically frantic onslaught, but it’s an impressive example of carefully paced and meticulously composed heavy metal.

While the first two tracks offer an interesting “test of method” for their new direction, they smartly save their hardest hitting and well rounded compositions for the fat part of the album. “United in Regret”, while opening in somewhat pedestrian fashion, shows clever restraint as the drums and guitar work together to foreshadow a galloping conclusion that starts at the three-minute mark, and brings the title track of this album to a mammoth crescendo. While one of the shortest songs on United in Regret, it has a grandiose and epic feel that sounds carried over from last year’s A Diamond for Disease EP. “I Speak Through Shadows” enhances itself with foreboding harmonized chord riffing that has become a distinct part of guitarist James Malone's arsenal before making way for some slow handed traditional heavy metal soloing. “Lust Before the Maggots Conquest” rounds out the mid-album trifecta, and offers the kind of maniacal riff display that had been toned out throughout the rest of the album. “Lust,” however is still tempered by the band’s newfound tact, and ends up having more replay value than any other song on the album.

The album finishes in strong fashion, with the Sound of Perseverance flavored "The Cold Resistance," and a magnificent rendition of Depeche Mode’s “The Things You Said.” Each of these songs, while slower, are piled high with riffs and feature some of the strongest and most complimentary drumming on United in Regret. These tracks also offer a welcome breather from the punishing series of tunes that preceded them, and allow the listener to rest up for the amphetamine fed closer, “Hopeless Truth.” This kind of dynamic approach that affects not only the band’s songwriting, but also their approach to album writing, is what makes United in Regret such a pleasure, and what invites so many repeated listens.

With every album they release Arsis seems to come one step closer to fulfilling everything I look for in a heavy metal band. While Death slightly stumbled in their latter day attempts to fuse technical death metal with traditional heavy metal, Arsis have confidently made the transition, and became stronger songwriters in the process. While this is a far from a perfect album (let’s get a heftier bottom end guy, bass is a good thing) it is one of those rare release that contains a near mass appeal without sacrificing either integrity or craftsmanship. Ultimately, this is the album that deserves the hype I first threw at A Celebration of Guilt two years ago.



Score 9.2
Written by Jon Eardley
Published on 11/7/2006
Arsis took the underground metal community by the balls with their extremely accomplished 2004 release, A Celebration of Guilt, receiving the highest of praise from several metal outlets, including top honors as Album of the Year here at MetalReview.com. When given that much glorification for recording and releasing such a compelling and important album – many have called it one of the best written albums in the last several years – how is a band supposed to come back down from such a delightful high and eventually try to match it? They certainly did a solid enough job by hinting at future brilliance with the strong title track from their A Diamond for Disease EP, but I think the question as to whether or not they could achieve such greatness on their follow up full length release still remained unanswered. Admittedly I didn’t have as big of a hard on for the two releases as most everyone else, so that makes it easier for me to claim that Arsis have gone above and beyond both previously released offerings with United in Regret.

The songwriting tandem of James Malone (guitars, vocals) and Michael Van Dyne (drums) resides up there with some of the giants in today's world of metal composers. The album blasts off with an unmerciful set of technical death riffs that show that not an ounce of energy or craftsmanship has been lost since we last heard from the group. Those who were blown away by …Guilt and its chaotic and furious nature from front to back may be a little dismayed with the band’s decision to shy away from the mayhem in certain parts of these new songs by way of some slower, more melodic riffs, especially during the lead breaks. But I think those parts add a certain aspect of maturation to the overall songwriting and in the end take them to another level in that facet of their game. The solos on …Guilt were blazing and that still holds true on …Regret, but with the almost simplistic approach that some of the riffs take on here it gives the solos more room to shine and as a result they come across so much brighter. Malone has hands down become one of the masters at writing two different guitar parts that, as singular as they are, mesh together with pristine and immaculate precision. His use of both staccato picked runs and fluid legato licks simply amaze me, while his lead work is arguably some of the best to be heard this year. Van Dyne’s performance is simply ablaze with cunning chops as he’ll go from a solid thrash beat one moment to a half-time beat bringing out some groove within the riffs through the next turn. Then he’ll pummel you with some furious kicks and stunning blasts and throttle you with his ability to rip across the toms with some luminous fills. If either of the two has improved upon their game it is Van Dyne. I thought the drumming was a bit monotonous on …Guilt with the blast beats being somewhat overused, but the performance on this new platter of severed fleshed will be force fed to you with more flavorful radiance and a lot more creativity.

Every originally written song is a keeper, with the blistering "Oh, the Humanity" and the bloodthirsty "Lust Before the Maggots Conquest" being my two current favorites. But that is sure to change with each listen as the album is that damn inviting from start to finish. I say ‘originally written’ because track eight is a remake of Depeche Mode’s "The Things You Said". I haven’t heard the original so I really can’t compare the two, but after finding out it was a cover song it completely explained why it seemed so out of place. With the album coming in at just over 36 minutes I personally would've liked to have seen the cover dropped and be annihilated by a few more new songs. One other minor complaint, and I don’t think I’m alone here, is the issue of bass guitar. It’s there…kind of, but as attentive to perfection and craft that Malone and Van Dyne obviously are, it would simply put this band over the top if they had some fluid bass runs to match their illustrious talent – imagine a Steve DiGiorgio playing along side these guys. With that said, this review may make me out to be the ultimate Arsis fanboy, but that is hardly the case. I thought …Guilt was a pretty damn good full length debut, and …Disease was the perfect teaser to keep me interested in the band’s future. Well folks, the future that is United in Regret is here and worth your immediate attention, your ever so precious time, and your hard earned cash.



Score 8.7
Written by Tim Pigeon
Published on 11/7/2006
It’s been two years since Arsis devastated the American underground with the phenomenal A Celebration of Guilt, and one year since they released the immense epic “A Diamond for Disease”. Fans have been feverishly awaiting the sophomore LP, and that day has finally arrived. A quick description for the unaware – think of highly technical and rapid-fire melodic death metal.

James and Michael have progressed their formidable sound, and moved in a direction that was foreshadowed by “A Diamond for Disease”. Instead of coming at you with lightning-speed virtuosity at every turn, they’ve worked in some slower melodic moments, along with slower, chunkier moments. But don’t run away crying yet, the vast majority of the album is instrumental wizardry. James packs more notes into riffs and solos than almost anyone else out there, while Michael’s drumming is pummeling and precise, completely driving the mood of the song. The vocal approach is just as they’ve been doing since the demo, a raspy scream that honestly reminds me of Angela Gossow.

Songs like “Lust before the Maggots Conquest” and “I Speak Through Shadows” make it obvious that James plays with four hands. Also interesting to note is how the rhythm guitar (or at least the backing guitar) will be playing the more complex riff, which only adds to the energy of a song and allows the listener to dig up something new with each listen. “The Cold Resistance” showcases a thrashy influence, then going epic on a solo. All is not perfect on United in Regret, as there are some instances of overreach. On “The Things You Said”, which is already a big change of pace in terms of speed and mood, James’ harsh vocals are everywhere. Sometimes you just need to jam. They get it right on barnburners like “Oh, the Humanity” and “Hopeless Truth”.

With Arsis staying busy on the road, their fan base should begin to approach their promise, if there is any justice in the metal world. United in Regret did not convince me on first listen, although that was remedied after another spin or two. Perhaps I’d be blown away if this was my first experience with Arsis, but I came in expecting excellence. That is what we have here, although a miniscule notch lower than the brilliance found on their prior releases, which means that this is certainly a Top Ten contender. If you love technical metal, buy this album, preferably at an Arsis concert.



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BEZOAR | posted on 2/2008 | Reply
Can't fucking wait for the new one. Hope it's a bit more like guilt though. It'll be interesting to see how much of an impact the other members of the band have on the music vs. Malone basically writing everything.
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JB | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
Yeah, I was a bit disappointed in this one. I mean, everything sounds great and is performed well, but the songs don't compare to the ones on Guilt. I'm still looking forward to hear more from them, though.
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BEZOAR | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
Arsis in the studio September 3rd. Can't fucking wait for some new shit!
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Old Man | posted on 3/2007 | Reply
Interesting point, JRX.; I used to write songs acoustically and then add distortion later. Sometimes I used to record both in the same song, but thanks to shitty 80`s production, no one ever noticed.
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powerade | posted on 3/2007 | Reply
@ JRX... what was the name of your band? i would definately love to hear some of your work, since you have amazingly high standards. i listen to Arsis alot, therefore they have lasting power with me. If you dont dig them, thats fine. I can't stand converge
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Sculpy | posted on 12/2006 | Reply
There's only two tracks on this I don't find very memorable, and the rest are compulsively listenable for me.
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JRX | posted on 12/2006 | Reply
Arsis is good, but they rely too heavily on how heavy the music "sounds" and much less on the lasting musical impact it has. There are 2 stages to a good metal song, I've found: The initial "holyfuckingshit" of the heaviness, and as soon as that wears off, the songwriting takes center stage. Arsis just doesn't seem to be able to write a tune with any lasting power. A good way to see if your song will outlast the initial blast is to play it acoustically... I used to do it a lot to my old bands songs and it really showed me why they got so damn old quickly. Even a band like this should be able to unplug and have their songs kick ass.
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The Great Cretaceous Bob | posted on 12/2006 | Reply
What the fuck. A Celebration of Guilt was godly. United in Regret is unlistenable. Most disappointing album of the year.
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Cliff | posted on 12/2006 | Reply
I agree with grishnach
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Metalhead | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
I love this album. To me its a better listen than ACOG
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Rothgore the Bassphemer | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
I thought this was a damn near perfect album until I heard Martyr's latest. After that, nothing seems that exciting........oh well
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Delly | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
666.
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crucifiedjesus | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
certainly not on the level of a celebration of guilt. still very listenable
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ThrashBeast | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
They are godly, but everybody say UiR is worse than the old one, and I can't agree more. That's the brutal fact. I'm afraid they haven't reach their lowest point yet.
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Deke' w/MR | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
The more I listen to it, the less impact it has.
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Danny | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
You can say what you want about arsis and overrated, but its too bad they live up to what you expect of them, melodic, technical, death metal. and thats exactly what they do with this cd, I believe they've gone above and beyond ACOG. They know how to write and how to play so I cant see why people say they are this and that. If anything quit bitching and complaining about production and what the band will be and just fucking enjoy this while you can.
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rawr | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
I'm sick of hearing people's comments about a band's fan base rather than the bands themselves. If you don't like the album, fine, write that, and move on. Don't get pissed because a lot of people like a talented band. And "doomed to become the next opeth?" what a sincerely honorable fate...
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Jon w/MR | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
@ Ryan Yeah man, I've always kept my eye on things and the time seemed right. Anyway, I'll never forget that time you, Ty and I headed down to Chi-town for that Metal Gods show, where as I'm sure you remember Immortal totally ruled the fucking night. Get in touch man via an email on my page, it's been a while and it would be cool to catch up.
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Rablarablarabla | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
Personally I think this band is way too overrated, just another "saviour of melodeath". Too many damn fanboys sucking this bands cock imo, they're doomed to become the next Opeth.
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Dago | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
What a fucking insane album for me 5.5, 6, 5,5
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Jesse | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
I've always thought this band was pretty overrated. People praise them like they're one of the top 10 best bands metal has ever had. That's not to say I dislike them. They're not bad, and certainly good at what they do. They're a very technical band, but I find the "melodic death" tag pretty misleading. They're not all that melodic, they're just a technical death metal band with some melodic leads and more of a blackish-style vocal approach than typical death metal. As for the best Death album, it's Symbolic by far. It's the only Death album I truly love. The rest I could take or leave. And Control Denied sucked, mostly due to the shitty female vocalist Tim Aymar.
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Zaibach | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
I know i'm over reacting on this one but, I can't stand ppl talking crap about Death :D Don't take it toooo personally though.
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Zaibach | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
@Might Battlepenis I hope you burn in hell, insulting one of the greatest band that ever existed and with that, one of the greatest Vocalist/Guitar player. Chuck Schuldiner is my mentor and it's because of this guy that I started playing Guitar. Please, don't insult Chuck and his band (R.I.P.), they are a Legend and by doing that you're insulting the whole Metal community.
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joe | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
are you kdding me...this album has some the most technical disc arsis has to date and has some of their fastest songs. the only song with alot of chug and groove is the cover song. this album is better vocally and production wise, a bit more death metalish. i dont' have any clue how anyone could think this album is chuggier and the production is worse. LOL>
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Ryan | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
the Wharwulf returns? and DiGiorgio (or a bass slayer equal, although there aren't many) would be insane.
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realist | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
I love this album. It is excellent stuff no matter how it compares to earlier stuff. Cant wait to see them live once again. Arsis rules.
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Erik T | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
This jsut isnt impacting me as much as the debut and EP did-mildly disapointed. The production sounds fine to me.
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cp101 | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
It's really not an Arsis sounding CD. it's too slow, and too groovy. Arsis are good at a bit of groove and a bit of slowness, but they shine when things get fast, complex and riffalicious. This cd took the opposite route, thus not really sounding like Arsis most of the time.
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cp101 | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
It's really not an Arsis sounding CD. it's too slow, and too groovy. Arsis are good at a bit of groove and a bit of slowness, but they shine when things get fast, complex and riffalicious. This cd took the opposite route, thus not really sounding like Arsis most of the time.
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edgexxx | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
In my humble opinion, this production fits Arsis best.
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windowlicker | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
Oh, yeah dude. The Sound of Preserverance is one of the most perfect metal albums EVER. You guys remember Control Denied? another metal masterpiece. Arsis is ruling my fucking ears right now. They dio it so right.
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Konrad | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
Good reviews...but Death is one of the best bands ever, and The Sound of Perseverance is one of the most perfect albums ever. I wouldn't compare Arsis to death...but other than that I like what I hear. Definitely a fun band to see live as well.
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yours | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
blah kinda shitty
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Jon w/MR | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
@ Ostrogoth Agree 100% man...well said.
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behemoth666 | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
Arsis is growing, and they aren't going to stop for a long time, i hope. my favorite Death album has to be Leprosy. Talking about the later albums, it would be either Human or Symbolic..
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Speci | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
The only major flaw I find in TSoP is the drumming, which is incessantly over-done. Admitedly, the disjointed transitions (or lack thereof) can be disconcerting, but the material is still incredible. Human still wins my favorite Death album, though.
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adsfdsaf | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
all the goths got their asses kicked. shoulda picked the huns--they didn't last long, but they did kick lots more ass.
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Might Battlepenis | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
@ Ostrogoth TSoP is a horrid album. The song structures are so ridiculous and repetitious it makes me sick to listen to. On top of that, the abominable Judas Priest cover song is the death nail in a fetid album that can't hold a candle to the ferocity and inventiveness of early Death.
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Special Agent | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
Such a great album!
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Ostrogoth | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
"While Death slightly stumbled in their latter day attempts to fuse technical death metal with traditional heavy metal, ..." <--- WTF?? What are you talking about?? Latter-day Death is some of the most incredible and touching music EVER written, period. Arsis is a great band with some really killer tunes (I think that A Diamond for Disease is indeed one of the overall all time best epic metal songs there are). This said, I strongly disagree that Death "stumbled" in their attempts in anything, SPECIALLY in their latter days. Chuck Schuldiner = GOD.
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fdsafsdfds | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
@ adrian: heh, no big. oh, and my comment doesn't mean that i won't get this, so calm down, blooooooood.
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blooooooood | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
yo, ill end this now....................whatever band you like be , it necrophagist,Arsis,Quo Vadis WHATEVER JUST BUY WHAT THE HELL YOU LIKE DON"T CARE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY DON"T BE A LITTLE EMO BITCH
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Adrian | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
Dude, my bad. My eyes read "Vanden Plas".
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Speci | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
Quo Vadis and Arsis are about equal in my eyes. Probably two of the most significant melodeath bands out there right now. Both excellent in their own way. If you like one check out the other.
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nick | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
justl listened to a couple of songs. They were amazing.
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Fritz | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
This shit is fucking badass. Go buy it, immediately.
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Adrian | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
Dude, progressive heavy metal. C'MON, you're kidding right?
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adfdsfa | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
quo vadis is a better band.
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Adrian | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
Arsis is trying to challenge us it seems. So you'll bet I'll be spinning this sucker more and more. Almost reminds me of Blood Mountain (not musically).
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Devin | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
Haha... Nice work.
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Devan | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
Since we're both named Devan I'll use my real name on this post. I'll use the word diverse too. I just can't seem to get into this like I did with ACoG. It seems to be too diverse. Still really good, but it just doesn't flow like ACoG did.
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Devin | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
I think a lot of people would agree that the sample tracks sound MUCH better in context. The album is pretty diverse in tempo and technicality, and provides a more diverse look at what Arsis has to offer from track to track.
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Speci | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
Arsis were never a "technical" band to me, in that the difficulty of the material was never the focus of the song. They simply happened tp possess both the highest level of songwriting talent and the technical ability to properly articulate it when needed (The former being by fare the more scarce of the two). I'm a little worried, though. "Lust Before the Maggot's Cpnquest" just didn't do it for me, and the reviews would indicate that that's one of the best tracks on the album. It certainly doesn't follow in the steps of ADfD like I'd hoped. Still, I will definately buy this album.
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grishnach | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
The production is fine. This album rules. End of story. Its like Necrophagist- Im so sick of people complaining about the vocals.....Riff envy- thats what it is. Every rocker plays the fucking guitar and when they hear something that puts their efforts to shame they have to come up with some petty thing to bitch about. Shut up. If you are so into production, the new KORN is for you. Perhaps Hip Hop would be more to your liking, as it is a production based form of music entertainment. Disgust.....
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Adrian | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
I was already thrown off by the production when I heard the track "Lust For The Maggots Conquest". But I believe the seamless blend of melody, brutality, and technicality is absent here. There is definitely still some worthwhile metal here, but being such a huge fan of their debut and brilliant EP, i can't help but feel disappointed.
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joe | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
the production on this is their best yet, i don't know how anyone could think otherwise. after multiple listens i think this is their best effort yet. this album is overall more technical and more death metalish than ACOG but the catchy songwriting is still there. their best work yet and the future is bright. love the artwork too.
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Zal | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
Saw them live last week after limited exposure... and it seems my impression was pretty solid. I thought all members did a fantastic job with their instruments, and without knowing the songs, a number of them really drew in the crowd without resorting to the typical song structures. The vocals didn't do it for me, though. Overall I'm impressed, and "Lust.." is a great song, but I'm not converted to fandom for some reason. Oh well, I wish these guys the best.
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FucBush | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
Excellent band, excellent album that is bound to make it on many a Top 10 list at the end of this year. The main departure i hear on this album is that its not as "blackened" as their debut, but they still have the musicianship and memorable songwriting, so i'm on board.
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Matt  | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
I just couldn't get into this.
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Devin | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
As a skeptical fan, I have tried to find major differences in their sound, flaws in their new material, and weaknesses in their stylistic approach. Needless to say, these things do not exist in this album. It's another great release from a great band. The production is adequate - I wouldn't say it's terrible, but I could agree that there is some room for improvement.
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Deadspleen | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
I love these fucking guys, and think they are one of the greatest bands on the planet today... ...but the production does blow compared to the last two. The guitars don't sound nearly as sharp.
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brandonmetal | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
i didnt have to read this to know i'm getting it today- assuming it's at the local record shop... but i read it anyway. of what's online, the first track is pretty good- not 'pedestrian' at all, and is def better than lust..., which sounds more gimicky. i'm sure there's lots more surprises on the rest of the album. these guys are impressive shredders- check em live!
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YourMom | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
I agree with Blutwurst. The production on this job SUCKS ASS. Totally dissapointing effort from these guys.
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hmmm | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
I completely disagree about the production. I think that the guitars sound great, and sound exactly as the band intended them to. Also, before the solo in "united in regret" you can hear the snare resonating - sweet. base still fuddling around underneath the hundreds of guitar frills, but this is definitely the best production they've had yet. songwriting, 5. ok musicianship, 5.5? they've definitely pulled off their vision with this album, i'd say 6. 5.5/5/6
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EthR | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
Can't wait for this one to show up in the mailbox.
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Blutwurst | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
As much hype as these guys get, I don't understand why they can't get a better production job. A 4.5 is a generous score there, I would have given it about a 3. Darkthronesque production works for Darkthrone, but it sucks for these guys.