Album Review

Score 9
Written by Matt Mooring
Published on 4/8/2005
Now THIS is the album Meshuggah needed to make this year. Their impact and influence is undeniable, but some have speculated that these innovators are beginning to run out of steam. Meshuggah followed up what is widely considered to be their brightest moment, Chaosphere, with 2002’s Nothing, an album that received mixed reviews from fans. Already a band that metal fans either revered as genius or dismissed as pretentious and unnecessarily complex (“What’s the deal with all those extra strings?”), Meshuggah gave doubters more ammunition when they followed the behemoth Chaosphere with a slower, and relatively more accessible album that also received attention from the nonmetal community. Evolution and notoriety—two things that always raise the ire of a subset of underground metalheads. Still, it is not as though all of the complaints about Nothing were without merit. But if some fans were concerned about the future direction of the band, Meshuggah assuaged most of these fears with last year’s blistering I, a 21 minute, single-track EP that smoked from start to finish. Since then fans have speculated whether the band’s next full length would be in the vein of Nothing, or the full throttled I. The Answer? Yes. As in, all of the above. Meshuggah has successfully blended the slower tempo of Nothing, with the highly intense and aggressive single song structure of I, and moved an iteration forward. The band has described Catch 33 as “musically the opposite of I”, but it sure makes for a perfect companion piece. Simply put, this album is a masterful metal display of the mathematics of harnessed chaos.

Like I, Catch 33 is conceptualized as a single composition. However, this time the band has chosen to break the song into thirteen tracks, a wise decision given its forty five minute length. Some of these track changes sound like natural transitions, while a few seem nearly random. The song consists of several movements, each consisting of several songs built around a central riff. The first three tracks (beginning with the craftily titled “Autonomy Lost”) are an intense show of force and a clear signal of intent, exploding in a powerful charge of lurching syncopated riffing and rhythms. The next segment consists of tracks four through six, which are packed with those low, bending notes that, at a high volume will make you feel like Beelzebub, Vlad the Impaler, and Dick Cheney are doing the wave in your large intestine. Meshuggah make their only sizable misstep at the beginning of “Mind’s Mirrors”, a sort of intermission track in the center of the album. They have made it known that this album is considered “an experiment”, but those computerized vocals are never a good idea, Mr. Roboto. The rest of the track is an instrumental cosmic noodling, something that pops up again at the end of the album. “In Death – Is Life” and “In Death – Is Death” is a blistering thirteen minutes of vintage, pulverizing Meshuggah. The remaining four tracks come closer to resembling independent tracks, and have more riff variety, although they remain unrelenting in intensity.

I once said that aside from drummer Tomas Haake, Meshuggah’s reputation for flawless musicianship was slightly overrated. That wasn’t really the best choice of words. What I meant is that the technical aspects of their note selection and variation is not what is most impressive—it’s not what they play, but how and when they play it. The music requires more dexterity of mind than of fingers. What is simply baffling is why a band that has a four armed cyborg like Tomas Haake would choose to program the drums for this album. They have said that they did it to save time to get the album out, and that Haake’s drums were recorded individually, then programmed. The drums sound fantastic, and most listeners won’t be able to tell the difference, but I still can’t help feeling like Wolfgang Puck has just served me Shake n’ Bake. Clearly Haake is capable of playing the material, and this time/money saving effort is disappointing (and earned them a reduced musicianship score).

Even with that complaint, Catch 33 is sure to be on many top ten lists at the end of the year. Fans will be rabid for this album, and new listeners would also do well to start with Catch 33. It’s that good. There are plenty of bands that have followed Meshuggah’s lead, but when the originals make a statement like this, it’s hard not to sit up and take notice.



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Anonymous | posted on 4/2011 | Reply
Best fucking metal album I've heard my entire 26 years of life.
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BEZOAR | posted on 11/2007 | Reply
Necro must be on a meth binger or something, he's fucking everywhere. And yes Necro, that was one incredible lash. Bravo.
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Necro Molester | posted on 11/2007 | Reply
No one can beat that lash!
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Necro Molester | posted on 11/2007 | Reply
Meshuggah = crap Proper metal = cool Meshuggah fans = gay Necro Molester = cool
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Inaphyt | posted on 10/2007 | Reply
If Meshuggah is technical then i am going to buy a keychain and some tight trousers.
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ellipsis | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
"Meshuggah is not technical at all." ... get the fuck out. seriously.
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Eon | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
To Inaphyt "When will people realise the true term of "technical death metal" messhuggah is not technical at all. i would give them maybe 3.5 for musicianship." Did you even hear the I ep? Shouldnt you shut the fuck up?
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JB | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
I hope the next album is a hell of a lot more interesting than Catch 33 and Nothing. The I ep was a step in the right direction. But then came Catch 33.
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bhrigstortd | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
nothing good bout nothin..where is the speedy stuff!!
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sinner | posted on 9/2007 | Reply
This album is great when you're really really stoned while watching iTunes visualizations \m/
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i hate you | posted on 7/2007 | Reply
agreed. this band can do no wrong. i like nothing better, but this one's great too. speaking of psychedelics, i've heard this album is pretty amazing to listen to on mushrooms
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endless yeti | posted on 7/2007 | Reply
i completely agree, this is one of my favorite albums ever, it creates the best atmosphere it tells a story, the lyrics are amazing as well, meshuggah will always be top five bands for me because every album has affected me in some positive way.
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high-speed cutter | posted on 7/2007 | Reply
i think this album creates an atmosphere. Imagine what it's like to be stuck inside a madman's head while he's tripping on acid. Psychotic dissonant arpeggios hyponotize until all hell breaks loose. Odd phrasing and non-standard time signature division can be found in every song, staying true to meshuggah's forte. Also, there's some of the old-school jazz/metal fusion that surfaced in the early days. Most of the tracks seem to flow seamlessly--fans of the "I" ep will appreciate this album immensely. They've taken that whole idea and expanded it to a full 45 minute album. I still listen to it frequently even though it came out almost 2 years ago and I got it right after it came out. Highly recommended album.
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Zach S | posted on 3/2007 | Reply
All you bitches whining about the drum machine, SILENCE YOUR HOLES. If you have seen them live, you know Haake does the fucking drums, and on the other fuckin albumns he does it. And the drum machine is sampled from his drums, so uhh. Meshuggah kicks ass, Also, real eyes realize real lies, Meshuggah's so called bad repitition is great to trip to. All around very good albumn, inventive, kick ass. Also you close minded fucks who don't like it because the drums are programmed, go fuck yourself and listen to your fall out boy fucks. GOD Damn. Peace out to all the KOOL KIDS. none of you pussy fucks.
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Steve P | posted on 3/2007 | Reply
I wouldn't consider Meshuggah death metal either. I would just consider them tech metal or math metal. Either way I think its dumb to argue about their genre because chances are you either love Meshuggah or you don't.
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Zaibach | posted on 3/2007 | Reply
http://www.freesonrock.com/en/index.html Check in the Metal List, M, Meshuggah, what genre do you see?
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Inaphyt is a crying douche | posted on 3/2007 | Reply
Meshuggah isn't Death metal. Go listen to your pedestrian wankery and shut the fuck up.
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Inaphyt | posted on 2/2007 | Reply
When will people realise the true term of "technical death metal" messhuggah is not technical at all. i would give them maybe 3.5 for musicianship.
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FucBush | posted on 12/2006 | Reply
The live footage sucks due to whoever edited the shots.....during the solo's all we're treated to is the other guitar laying down rythmn or Kidman doing his (weird) thing...i was pretty dissapointed in it, but the videos are cool, especially the other version of Rational Gaze. And, of course, the album is great, if not a bit unnecisary as far as re-recording is concerned.
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Prometheus | posted on 12/2006 | Reply
One illusion the new clarity in the guitars and drums gives is that it sounds even slower than normal, although it is the same speed. The vocals seem to have been remixed, they sound louder and slightly synthetic. I think they sound more brutal this time round though. Also the pitch of the guitars is lower this time, so the vocals sound a bit odd as they are at the same pitch as before...if that makes sense?
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Chris | posted on 12/2006 | Reply
It seems that I'm going to be the first Meshuggah fan here to say that I am quite dissapointed with the re-recorded Nothing. While there is definately a difference, in my opinion, its not really that big, and hardly worth paying $16 again for. Also, am I the only one who thinks that the vocals, for some reason, sound worse on this version? I love Meshuggah though, so I don't mind giving them some extra cash. I also thought the DVD was pretty fucking cool.
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Prometheus | posted on 12/2006 | Reply
The new Nothing kills, I bought it as I'm a collector, but I would say that you shouldnt feel guilty downloading it if you have the original. The change is very noticeable and worthwhile, but its the same music after all.
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Sculpy | posted on 12/2006 | Reply
The original Nothing is heavy as hell anyway to my ears. It sounds perfect. Heavier yet? Sounds almost futile!
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bob sundy | posted on 12/2006 | Reply
Yeah, i agree-- the re-release of nothing is amazing. I was a little scared because I read a few bad reviews about it, saying it sounded worse than the original. Not true at all. The newly recorded guitars are absurd, becoming even more massive without drowning anything out (well, maybe the bass...but who cares, the guitar pretty much is bass-- and they don't really even have a bassist anyway). They seem to have actually slowed a few parts down as well in the new mix. I also bought this one because my original CD was beaten up....now I have no desire to hear the original.
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delonlechery | posted on 12/2006 | Reply
On topic of the "Nothing" re-release, .5 hazzard hit the nail on the head
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Cultic13 | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
I'm a Meshuggah newb, catch 33 was my first album, and I liked/hated it the first ten spins. Sounded more like chaotic noise than music, but It has since grown on me. The lyrical depth kicks the shit out of most of the bilge coming out of most peoples mouths. Personally, I have no problem with the vocals, I wouldn't change a thing, love the schitzophrenic rasp. This is true quantum physical math metal
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Vark vark vark | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
i second that. MESHUGGAH!!!!!
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Demonizer | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
MESHUGGAH!!!!!
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.5 hazzard | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
No, just re-recorded guitars and a REALLY HUGE sound due to the remix. One of my favorite dics right now.
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FucBush | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
.5 hazzard@ Did they re-record vocals or anything else? And speaking of videos, Rational Gaze is one of my favs of all time, its fits the music perfectly.
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.5 hazzard | posted on 11/2006 | Reply
I have the re-release of Nothing and it is beyond supreme. The guitars have been re-recorded and the disc re-mixed. I bought it ONLY because my original version of Nothing was scratched. I usually despise the ideas of re-releases, but this thing is well worth the money. The guitars are even more monstrous and the crunch is unheard of. The re-mix is a perfect sound. And the dvd that comes with it has official videos and other cool shit that, get this, is actually worth watching more than once!
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Chris | posted on 10/2006 | Reply
Anyone here psyched about the rerecorded/remastered release of Nothing on Halloween? I know I am.
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Prometheus | posted on 10/2006 | Reply
I have the laziest reason ever that I haven't got into Catch 33 until just recently. I can't be bothered to plug my stereo in. I play all my music through iTunes, since i have a better sound system on my PC than my Hi-Fi. But listening to Catch 33 with the little skips inbetween tracks totally ruins it, as it totally knocks you off rhythm. BUT, since I got iTunes 7, with the gapless playback, now the album kills. fuckin awesome. Apple, I expect my cheque to be in the post!
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Your Mom | posted on 7/2006 | Reply
1. The fact that Meshuggah programmed the drums takes away nothing, but adds a whole new dimension to Catch 33. This shows their abilities to bring in modern methods and be original in a world of un-originality. Personally, I'm fuckin stoked that my PC can play drums like that with a little bit of midi sequencing. 2. Dehumanization ( track 12 ) starting at approx. 2:10, is hands-down the heaviest shit ever to hit metal. 3. If you dont like Catch 33, you should just kill yourself, because your very stupid.
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L-Piece | posted on 7/2006 | Reply
I love this album, my favorite of their's so far, cannot wait for a new album! anybody heard any news? they never update shit lol
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Roccdrummer | posted on 7/2006 | Reply
man this fuckin cd rocks, these guys are amazing but BUT i loved every single part of it first 10 listens or whatever first couple months but now i still totally am amazed by the songwriting etc, but goddamn they need a new singer i see that now. The musicians are just too damn good, they need vocals of the same caliber sorry to say...
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Xiatter | posted on 6/2006 | Reply
Also, the drums aren't fake. Just because they were programmed does not mean they aren't the real sounds of real drums by a guy who could play better than the drums on Catch 33, anyway, and therefore doesn't have a thing to prove, which in turn means you should shut the hell up. Perhaps naysayers' lives are programmed pieces of ****.
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Xiatter | posted on 6/2006 | Reply
Those who hate, lose. Meshuggah might not have brought you exactly what you wanted. If so, good. They didn't bring me what I expected after The Mouth Licking What You've Bled, but they brought something just as great as what I've heard of Chaosphere in less expected ways. It would be very difficult for anyone to deny that Meshuggah is amazing. You might not like them, but it's almost impossible not to respect them, if you actually listen to their music, as opposed to just skimming it so you can go off and listen to some pussy imitation. Also, nu-metal sucks. Meshuggah doesn't.
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Las7 | posted on 6/2006 | Reply
Personally I like the way they write music, they just sound very unique compared to other metal because of this. They in a way sound like your listening to a set by some underground DJ, the song progression sounds very fluid. Overall the whole progression in a CD and not the individual songs are what makes Meshugga's "Catch 33" so appealing to me. Sometimes listening to just select tracks doesn’t give let you get the idea behind those songs, so unless you listen to the album you might just not understand the whole concept. Thus allot of people do not get into them, sometimes its all down to personal choice ,if you don’t like "I"-the one song that stands alone, I very much doubt you would like anything else from Meshugga. IMO Meshugga is something that should either be taken very seriously or taken as a joke, I think that as far as lyrics go Meshugga try too hard but when you hear the lyrics blend into the music you understand how well the complexaty goes in with the symvolic and sometimes cryptic lyrics. I just got a couple of their vids and was listening yet again to "I". Some people might find them boring yet I find it grand the way the idea in one disc is more of a core fragmented into parts largly similar yet totally unique. Its really a band for people who pay attention to detail or people who find Crazyness amuzing...
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G | posted on 5/2006 | Reply
Didn't Tomas Haake have some hand/wrist problems that necessitated a break from live shows a while back? If he was still recovering, that would be a good enough reason to program the drums just for the studio record.
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dEF | posted on 3/2006 | Reply
and also the last three albums arent programed u dickhead so dont bother searching thru the bin from 7 years ago all just confirm ur mistaken:) theyve used it as a demo and writing tool across the cds, but haake plays them on the album, with the exception of catch 33. this is the only one with programmed drums on this finished product. apart form the one song called 'war' on rare traxx.
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dEF | posted on 3/2006 | Reply
this album owns, as if u cant remeber the breakdown in track 12: dehuminization, its @#$% massive.
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Gooch Mctaint | posted on 2/2006 | Reply
I honestly don't care about the programmed drums. I'm not saying I like the cd, because I don't, but from a production standpoint, it's hard to find music that is up to today's recording standards that hasn't been digitally manipulated on just about every level. I know this doesn't excuse not playing your own instrument, but I don't think anybody familiar with this band would think Haake couldn't have played it if he wanted to, budget allowing. He helped create the software they used for the drum tracks, so I'm sure he gets a cut of all the sales of DFH. I'm sure they are using this as a way to promote the product and try to get other people to buy it for their own home studios. It's a sales pitch. They're basically saying "We trust this product so much that we're willing to use it on our own cds." It's a huge gamble with their credibility, but this is a band known for taking chances. If it doesn't fly then they'll just go back to recording live drums on future releases. It IS an awesome product. If they didn't say anything, nobody would have noticed. At least they didn't try to hide it. I'm sure if studio walls could talk they would have quite a few tales to tell about other bands.
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Fightingmike | posted on 12/2005 | Reply
This record is GREAT! The drums are cool, cant tell the difference and it doesnt matter. This record sounds like something machines would make, so the programmed drums fit fine. I doubt this will be as influential as their earlier records, but that doesnt make it worse. I didnt really like Nothing, but i like this alot. It took me a while to wanna buy this, but i finally did and it hits the spot!
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Hypocrisy's better | posted on 12/2005 | Reply
Am i the only person who thinks this band sounds borderline nu-metal?!?!?! i feel like I'm taking crazy pills!!!!
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David | posted on 11/2005 | Reply
I saw them live in Roskilde 2004 and man did the gig blow. It was probably not their fault since they where on the biggest stage in daylight and all. Still I found the gig extremely boring, the singer looked like a complete fool when he tried to look like a tough guy on stage. Also, Ion Dissonance pisses all over Meshuggah.
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jrv | posted on 11/2005 | Reply
Say what you want about meshuggah, I saw them last night and they were most impressive, until you see them live, don't hate. by far the best live metal band right now. I don't know of any metal band that can surpass them as musicians
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tool | posted on 10/2005 | Reply
I dont understand why these ppl are saying meshuggah cant play catch 33 live... I experienced it myself at the 2005 download festival in England. They kicked ass too, sounding better live than on the album
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key to nothing | posted on 9/2005 | Reply
why does this band get such high praise from everyone,aDAMN said it right,they bring nothing new with every song,its boring and annoying at the same time
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aDAMN | posted on 8/2005 | Reply
i think this album is poop. It's hypnotic, not-changing-for-five-minute riffs really, literally put me to sleep. when i woke up there was a constant screeching noise. this ca-ca really dissapointed me. chaoshere was amazing, nothing was great, but they fucked this one up big time. bbbbbbbbbboooooooooooooooo!!!!!!
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me | posted on 8/2005 | Reply
wow i dident think meshuggah could get any worse but they proved me wrong cant wait to make fun of there next disaster
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Pelican Pants | posted on 8/2005 | Reply
Haake had nothing to do with the the drums during the writing process, and I'm pretty sure that I read that the last 3 albums the drums were programmed. If i can find the Magazine with the meshuggah interview, i will let ya know what issue. If its not in the trash yet
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anaturaldisaster | posted on 8/2005 | Reply
The drums aren't programmed on Nothing. They wrote the songs with a drum machine, then Haake learned them piece by piece in the studio. And, unlike Catch 33, they are capable of playing Nothing in it's entirety in a live setting.
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Pelican Pants | posted on 8/2005 | Reply
WOW, Nothing was better huh, and that because of the drums being programmed....well sorry to let ya know, but the drums were programmed on Nothing Too. I guess you better dislike that album now
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j | posted on 8/2005 | Reply
all in all, i like NOTHING better, but you can't deny tracks 9 & 10 on catch 33. the way the end of track 9 comes in like a walking bass line and then they bust it is amazing, plus, the muted, double-picked riff of track 10 is so sick. on the down side, the drums sound good, but knowing it's not thomas haake playing is a bit of a let down. plus, the whole "one song for 45 minutes" doesn't really work if you have huge pauses in between with weird spacey stuff that has nothing to do with the rest of the music. but they're still the best band ever.
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key to nothing | posted on 8/2005 | Reply
why does this song have a video, its such a weak song
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mr. me | posted on 7/2005 | Reply
I haven't heard this one yet.....but I wasn't too impressed with "Nothing". But in the band's defense for programming and sequencing drums...I myself am a recording engineer and I fully understand why these guys chose to sequence the drums. The time and cost of getting a good sound out of an acoustic kit is probably about 80% of the cost of production. I also own DFH and have used it myself to cut cost. Contrary to the mainstream belief that having a band with a contract equals lots of money...I think the sequencing is a smart move for these guys...because on an underground band's budget, recordings of the kind of quality that Meshuggah produce would not sound as good if they had to spend 80% of it miccing and tuning and gating (ect.) The drums. As for whether Mr. Haake can pull off his sequenced material...there is no doubt in my mind that he could. (By the way....Nothing was recorded the same way)
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mrmetal | posted on 6/2005 | Reply
i love this new cd it is another one mesuggahs masterpieces they are the best band in the world and proved it again
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Cyclonus | posted on 6/2005 | Reply
I really like this album, not for individual songs but for the whole effort. When listening i try and compare it to a movie. When you review a movie its of the entire film and not just minutes 15-30 or 45-53. If i was to analyze each track they dont stand out much as a whole i really like it. In order to enjoy it i have to listen to each musical section. It also a learning experience, each time i give it a listen i hear something else. I usually dont like slow stuff but for some reason i just get brainwashed when i listen to this, its great.
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james | posted on 6/2005 | Reply
just recently got the cd, great album with the context of the experimentation mode, but we already have nothing, some very nice moments on it. Programmed drums is a definite let down.
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Justin | posted on 6/2005 | Reply
This album is borrrrring. i am a huge meshuggah fan, every one of there albums, but after a couple spins of this album i myself cant say i heard one riff that i really remember or a riff that i wanted to hear again. No double bass, no fast guitar work, no sick bust grooves. Im not really seeing the hype. ill surely give it a couple more listens but first impression was not good at all and i honestly dont see hope for this one. i wonder what people find so great about it. Also, its gay that you people wont buy or talk shit about an album over something so stupid as programmed drums. If they didnt tell you it was programmed drums, none of you would even know. If the guy couldn't play the stuff i would say it was extremely gay, but these certainly arent parts that he cant pull off. The guys hurt, give him a break
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Speci | posted on 6/2005 | Reply
The programmed drums were actually the reason I didn't buy Onset of Putrification
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aurelius | posted on 6/2005 | Reply
This album is somewhat disappointing, not enough energy. Of course the music sounds good, but they never really go anywhere with th songs until tracks 8-11. I just expected a little more from these guys, and I have no doubt that they will come through going forward.
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maximus | posted on 6/2005 | Reply
I have listend to this cd non stop since it came out. I dont mind the programed drums at all. but what I do miss is,guitar chords! this album is all single string picking.I think the eight string guitars are cool as hell,as long as you use the lower notes sparingly (wich they do) but instead of having two great guitar players,we now have two great bass players. gimme a chord!!!
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Prometheus | posted on 5/2005 | Reply
An awesome album. Too bad about the programmed drums, but it doesn't count against the album musically, just disappointing that a drummer like haake decided to do that. It'd be nice to think while listening "wow this drummer is on fire" which was one of the things that made chaosphere and DEI so enjoyable and impressive. With this album you cant, and the drums are merely that, a rhythm. I liked the synth vocals though, very original (in metal anyway)
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Dillon | posted on 5/2005 | Reply
There are currently no bands that are able to reproduce the dramaticly heavy timing of Meshuggah's music. With that said I would like to anounce that I am a few days away from getting my copy of Catch 33, and I have no doubts that this album will be just as good as it should be. Meshuggah has never let me down in the past. Also... For F**k sake! Let's give Meshuggah all the support we possibly can here in america, and let them know that we want them to come back and Rock our country out. Rock on brothers and sisters of metal.
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real eyes realize real lies | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
Meshuuggah rocks...no doubt there...Catch Thirtythree is a masterpiece! They say that 'music is what numbers sound like'...with that said, if we could listen to Pi, this is what it would probably sound like. Right now this 47+ minute song is my drug of choice (although it doesn't hurt to hit the bong or chew on some fungus and chill with this album)! Stay Metal! Be true, don't conform...burn your flag and piss on the ashes!
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tumppi | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
This is the Best meshuggah album ever. What so bad about programmed drums? It's still music. And "mr roboto", no no... it is very good use of spoken vocoder... With all this this album has wider range of music that meshuggah have ever had, it reminds me alot the "sol niger within" thordendahls solo album.... wich is best metal album ever.... :) So, Just sit back and anjoy the trip this album is offering. :)
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sean | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
why'd ya have to mention the programmed drum shit, now i'm going to be drawn to that everytime i put catch 33 on. ignances bliss son
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favor4afavor | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
any1 looking for the album drop me a line on slsk. user: favor4afavor
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nick | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
Anybody out there know where I can find some samples off of 'Catch 33'? Thanks if you can!
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Radar | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
Is this album 33% better than Hypocrisy's Catch 22?
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jon | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
"there drummer sucks anyhow...prolly wont be a difference..."....one of the most stupid comments ive ever heard. haake is a machine...and seeing him live proves it even more.
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jake | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
definitely in the vein of "I". by the way, i think that robotic voice intermission is freakin sweet. like the boys said, this album was going to be experimental/non live material. so good for them for doing some "experimenting" and making it sound hella good. and don't worry, they said they'd release a "standard" (4-5 minute individual songs) meshuggah album some time this year as well. two LPs in the same year! be thankful. and stop moaning cuz the drums sound fine and WE ALL know that haake can play anything. why does sweden produce such great metal?
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Ian | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
That post read like a haiku.
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Nick | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
Drums programed some above underground success Who gives a s**t! Either you like the music or not. This nit picking is just stupid. Get over it!
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pcp | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
i mean not affected. By the way im not a huge meshuggah fan. Anyone who has problems with programmed drums should listen to Necrophagist's onset of putrefaction. Both versions are great and the re-issued re-programmed drums are better, but comptuer drums or not its a great album. Im just interested as to what he used to sequence. I haven't had a chance to use DFH Superior yet and i know that part one doesnt have a built in sequenceer. Drummers that a reliable/skillfull and are not alcoholics are hard to find.
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pcp | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
Ok #1 Music is music and the creativity required to create new music is affected by the channel through which it is created, but by the imagination going into the process. Programmed everything doesnt matter. Music can stand on its own merits. #2 Tomas could play it. Hes done it before. He is very involved in DrumkitfromHell (-superior)and on the sample disk for the first version he made drumbeats that he had played before into sequences.
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Nick | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
if for whatever reason you did not like 'Nothing' ; thats fine for you, but don't sit there and tell us just because you thought the record was sub-par that we are supposed to think the same thing. I for one thought it was a great album and I enjoy listening to it over and over again. As far a reviewers are concerned 'who really gives a s**t. They just give their opinion. It is up to yo to download samples to judge for yourself. Finally because a band makes a name for itself outside of the underground scene does not cause the band to lose their talent and become crap. Unless the band is Metallica who have sold out and become absolute S**t. May they all burn for their last four albums!!!!!
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Mettalmann | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
Nice review!! BUT, as always this band is given a free pass. Their last CD "Nothing" was just that. I just wish fans would be honest to themselves and recognize good CDs for what they are...GOOD not great!! I compare these guys to Tool...their last album sucked, but reviewers didn't know what to do with it because they were either shocked that it wasn't great, or fooled into believing that the band could do no wrong. To top it off Meshuggah was terrrible on Ozzfest, just proving a point to me, that they don't know how to do anything besides work within the studio!!!
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Karturium | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
Over-rated band, nothing special at all...
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gutted | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
im so tired of meshuggah getting so much credit..they are such an average band to me..the only cd that is average at best is destroy erase improve...they obviously didnt get the improve part right after that...yet another average release that every trendy fucker will go grab just cause of there name...kinda like u2...programed drumming just ices the cake to show they suck...there drummer sucks anyhow...prolly wont be a difference...anyhow go get your trendy shit release...as for me if i did get it it i would use it for skeet like there other releases....fuck you all...
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Ian | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
That's pretty interesting...I guess they won't be playing "I" either. I wonder why not...Catch 33 is far superior to the piece of shit that was Nothing.
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josh | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
in regards to the post -blow- dont expect to haake play Catch 33 live either. Meshuggah have already said this isnt a live album and to not expect it on tour
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M. Mooring | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
Like I said in the review--YES I think it's lame Haake didn't record the drums, but it does VERY little to detract from the sound of the album. I realize this will be an issue that receives a lot of discussion, but don't dismiss the album because of that, unless you hear it and don't like the drum sound. I don't think most people will notice. And thanks, Harley.
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Ian | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
This is the best meshuggah material in a while, and it's best to just forget about the fake drums. I wouldn't have noticed if I hadn't been told, and while I agree that he should have recorded them properly, I can say for sure that it doesn't detract from my enjoyment of Catch 33.
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michael | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
i love meshuggah and will still buy this album and think it is awesome probably but the programmed drums are definitley gay... i'm sure tons of bands record like this nowadays but i like to think what separates metal and heavy music from the rest of the corporate garbage is the fact that there is no studio tricks... but whatever i'm sure it will be awesome anyway... by the way "jon" he's not playing the drums into the computer anyway. he recorded all the drum sounds as serparate hits and then fredrik thordendal and him constructed them into beats.. so it isn't like he actually played the songs through into the computer.. if that was the case he might as well have just recorded them normally.. i know the guy could easily pull the songs off live because he's a machine but it's just gay to me.
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Nik | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
really different, but very very good.
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jon | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
haake will pull it off live, so regardless if they are programmed, just watch him live. he'll play every note perfectly. and as for the programming of the drummers, lik ed said below, its him playing into the computer, so its him all the way through.
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Zero Tolerance | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
Programmed drums? Does that mean that his drum sounds were recorded on to a computer and then programmed like a drum machine? Uhh...why? This makes no sense. I'm an idiot, someone please explain.
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Speci | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
I don't care if the drums do sound exactly the same; It's still programmed drums, and that's bad. Very bad! I really like Meshuggah, but I'm afraid their choice to record that way, just cost them an album sale.
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m0l3 | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
you can grab it at metal-torrents.com too its awesom great review btw
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taxi driver | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
I was awesome - blistering is the word, as is discordant, as is beautiful, as is fucking eye-popping! Nothing's cool and experimental, but not as satisfying as their other work , for meshuggah-newbies. As for drums, plenty of us love technical and experimental metal despite not being able to play for shit, and having little knowledge of the recording process, so the appreciation is undiminished and with a bit of luck we'll get to see him do it live anyway. Good review - I look forward to picking this up!
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dutch | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
to hearing this!
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Zero Tolerance | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
Nothing was kinda...meh. I really couldn't get into that album at all. I expect this to be far better.
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TheLostSoul | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
This is actually a pretty standard way of recording music today. Many, more mainstream, bands do this as a standard way of recoding. Not just drums, but most instruments. It results in an albun that is more uniform in the sound. It can also results in a somewhat lackluster sound, if not done correctly. I wanne bet that you have come across this way of recoirding before and not even noticing...
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Ian | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
Honestly, ignore the fact that the drums are programmed. You won't notice it.
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Ryan | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
this album is incredible, and the drums sound just like the real thing, so no love lost. The string bend at 2:10 in the song dehuminization makes me wantto jump out of a window every time i hear it!
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Ed | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
those drums are from drumkit from hell, they first recorded all the toms, etc on computer and then put in order so you get a drum ritme. So it's a programmed live drum, you won't hear a difference because that drumcomp sounds execly like a real drummer because it's a real drummer who played it!
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Jacksonlefteye | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
good review matt
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Jacksonlefteye | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
PROGRAMMED DRUMS? WITH HAAKE? fucking BULLSHIT, i cant believe that; im still buying this, but still, the guy who played 3 rhythms at once on the amazing "I" album decided to take a break for this album? totally weak...i really wish that hadnt been mentioned in this review i tried to get into meshuggah with "Nothing" but i was horribly disappointed, took it back the next day, but then i gave em another shot with "Chaosphere" and im definitely a fan now, i cant wait for this one to be released
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.5 hazzeurd | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
Programmed drumbs??? Does it sound like a machine? I don't understand.
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Harley w/MetalReview | posted on 4/2005 | Reply
...This is one hell of a mammoth review, Mooring. It's not ultra long, but it's fucking enormous if you know what I mean. You never fail to impress me. Good job! Now, about the band in question. I never really could get into these guys but maybe this album will help me along? We'll see. I will check this out.